ROTC Scholarship possible? + other questions

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  1. harqur

    harqur Banned

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    Hello all,

    I am currently a high school junior on my way to senior year... and I want to be a Naval officer!!
    I am really passionate about this and want everything to go well, but I am kind of nervous because of my scores... ill post below
    (im applying for AROTC, NROTC, and AFROTC... im not sure i will end up with a scholarship so i want to apply to as many as possible)

    SAT -
    CRM : 1250 (610 Reading, 640 Math)
    No ACT atm
    GPA :
    UW - 3.61
    Weighted - 4.67
    Roles:
    MSA public relations officer (Muslim student association)
    Chess club officer
    In the process of opening up a beta club chapter at my school.. will be the president of it next year!
    Was in program called Health Science II where i shadowed various nurses and physicians and saw many surgeries. I had over 100 hours of unpaid labor work there.
    clubs :
    NHS, HOSA (last year my project did advance), DECA, Academic Decathlon.
    Physical:
    Swimming for 3 years
    weight lifting for 2 years
    (no letters or anything for these 2...)


    QUESTIONS :
    I want to apply ASAP for these scholarships, but I want to take the fall SAT. If i apply now can I take the fall SAT and change it before more boards convene?

    I want to also thank everyone who provides feedback to me.... you are really helping me... thx :)
     
  2. soccmomer

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    Your SAT score is very good now. For AROTC, that plus your GPA will get you points as it stands. Also, National Honor Society. I can't speak for the other ROTC's.
    Not sure why they put so much stock in getting a Varsity Letter, as opposed to just participating in the Varsity sport. At our school, if you are on Varsity, you get a letter. However, at other schools there are more stringent requirements.
    From what I understand, for AROTC, once your app goes before the Board, you are assigned a score, which does not change for the next board.
    Good luck!
     
  3. John Patrick

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    First of all, I would strongly recommend you take the ACT. My ACT scores were much higher than my SAT scores and surely helped me get an nrotc scholarship. Also, you should complete your rotc applications as early as possible. If you take the SAT and ACT in the fall after you submitted your application, you can simply send your scores electronically to the address listed on your rotc application and give them to your recruiter and your portal will show the new scores.
    Your current scores are a little low for the nrotc program, but I believe they are very competitive for arotc. Your leadership and service traits sound like your strong points and you should emphasize them on your application. Your athletic participation is decent and should not hold you back as long as you do well on your prt or whatever physical test you take.
    Overall, you should be a competitive applicant for the arotc scholarship. For nrotc, you will also be competitive, but I would suggest retaking your SATs and ACTs to increase your chances of scholarship selection.
    Good luck!
     
  4. JakeFromWisco

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    Just a quick question: If you want to be a naval officer, why are you applying for AROTC and AFROTC scholarships?
     
  5. harqur

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    hey... lol...
    I just want to be a part of the army and help my country lol, im honestly fine with any of the branches.
    If I had it my way, I would want to be part of the NROTC program firstly, then AFROTC, and then Army ROTC. I really like submarines and hope i get to sit in one somewhere down the line :)
    thx for all the replies, if anyone else wants to add or share what they think pls more than welcome to do so
     
  6. Pima

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    For AFROTC your SAT is below the avg by about 30 points for Type 7, and about 80 for a type 1 or 2.
    ~ They also do not superscore. Best sitting only

    Secondly, AFROTC will re-jig your cgpa. I can tell you right now, your weighted will drop a lot because they use a 4.5 max weight.

    Finally, they do not include anything in your senior year, except new SAT/ACT scores.

    With that all said, every point matters, so any shortfalls can be made up in other areas, like the PFT and interviews.
     
  7. harqur

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    thx for the replies guys. if anyone else has any more input as to whether or not I can pull off a scholarship pls post!!
    yup yup looks like im not getting any AFROTC scholarship rn... ill see after my new SAT's :)
     
  8. Pima

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    First off NOBODY can give you a true answer to Pull off a scholarship. They can give guidance and that is it. Here are the biggest reasons:
    1. Pool size and how many scholarships that will be offered.
    2. We don't sit on the boards. Our posts are anecdotal at best, and mostly opinions.

    We can all say you look strong, avg. or weak, but at the same time, posters that have been here a long time like myself, EDelahanty, Jcleppe, kinnem, Clarkson and Jcc123 all have witnessed candidates that had great stats, get the At this time we are unable...letter, while other candidates with much lower stats get the Congrats letter.

    The common responses from many of us will be:
    1. You have 0% chance if you don't apply
    2. College is 4 years, NROTC and AFROTC will require Active Duty upon commissioning.
    ~ Life on a boat is not the same as life landlocked in the AF. Think about life in the military, especially if you want to go rated. Not everybody goes rated, so now what is your plan B career option.
    3. Keep taking BOTH SAT and ACT everytime available in the fall.
    4. You must be 3Q. DoDMERB for scholarship only candidates usually do not occur until after the scholarship is awarded. If you have any medical issues than take this time to read through the DoDMERB forum to address those issues.
    5. Practice that PFT. Bust one portion of the test, at least for AFROTC, and you busted the entire thing. Bad run, bad juju for you.

    You are not out of the running at all for AFROTC. SAT is a portion of the PAR. You might be a poor test taker and attend a very competitive HS, thus, offsetting the SAT. It is a called the WCS (Whole Candidate Score) for a reason. You have a lot of great things that could offset an SAT only 30 points below the avg type 7.

    Finally, the biggest thing everyone will ALWAYS stress is that if the only way to afford to attend that dream college, please rethink matriculating. Please also look at AFROTC even more regarding how it is really not a 4 year scholarship, but 2+2.
    ~ You get the ability to walk with no repayment up to the 1st day of your sophomore year. Leave after that they can demand repayment. This is common.
    ~~ If you decide to walk, and only could afford because A/AF/NROTC paid the tuition of 10,15, 20+ K a year, how will you find the money to make up for that scholarship, especially if the folks can't help out? Will you go in student loan debt or transfer to another school?

    The reality is the attrition rate is very high for ROTC. Nobody walks in with a scholarship saying I won't commission, but many don't 4 years later.
     
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    thx for the reply and warning but im not going to back out of this commitment - im sure of it.
    Also, I plan on applying for the second board. By that time I will have improved SAT Scores and surely a better PFT score!
     
  10. Pima

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    OBTW,

    If you truly want a more realistic chance me, than more info is needed. I would not place any weight into the answer because of what I just posted, but it might give you more insight of weaknesses, and strengths to use during your interviews.

    1. Course curriculum
    ~How many APs/IBs through your junior year (AFROTC)? How many next year (A/NROTC)?
    ~ Pre reqs required for those classes, can every student take an AP/IB, or must they take an Honors course 1st?

    It is two different things. You can have 16 APs (16 APs offered) where everyone can take them, yet at the same time there could be a candidate that only took 6 because they had to take Honors first and only 9 were offered.

    2. School profile can have an impact.
    There are over 2K HS in the nation. The ROTC board is national. They have to equalize the schools, weight is one way. % that attend Ivy vs 4 yr vs 2 yr vs work force is another.
    ~ What is the weight for AP at your HS? 5.0 or 6.0?

    3. Sports
    ~ You state swimming and weight lifting, but I would like clarification. Are they HS sports or leagues or just community rec?

    The reason why is that you do not need to be a Captain or Varsity. Part of what they are looking at when it comes to sports are 3 things.
    ~ Commitment. You have that if it is HS or league, because you can prove that you stayed with it regardless if you won or loss
    ~ Time Management. It shows that you can juggle competing, training and your cgpa. Y
    ~ Athleticism. PFT will be part of your ROTC life. They don't want just a book smart kid that fluffs up their application by saying I weight lift at the Y.

    I may appear to be harsh, I am not trying to be. I am trying to illustrate the more you investigate/research and ponder your own resume, the more you will understand the process.
     
  11. harqur

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    Hi,
    I've taken 5 AP Classes
    AP Biology had a pre-req which was Pre-AP Biology and AP US History had a pre req for Ap World History which did not have a pre-req. Don't think anything else had a prereq
    My AP Classes have a weight of 6.0 at my school and all other classes are at a 5.0
    If one was to get a 90 AVG in an AP class, their GPA would be a 5.0 and in a regular class it would be a 4.0. My schedule is pretty evenly distributed which accounts for the total average GPA being a 4.67
    I swim really frequently at a community rec, but the weight lifting is an actual class at my school.
    I didn't mention it but I was also in foundations of team building exercises my freshman year at school.
    don't worry Pima im not taking this the wrong way, i'm just glad you are willing to help!
    also idk if this will help or not, but I am not applying to any ivy-league schools. Just in-state schools. I did apply to one cali school but I put is as last
     
  12. Pima

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    AFROTC 1st board is Dec.

    SAT/ACT scores for Sept/Oct. will be in by the time you need to submit for Dec.

    I get, submit the best, especially for NROTC, but for AFROTC if you submit now, and take BOTH SAT/ACT in Sept/Oct you can update the package, while not losing your spot in the queue.
    ~~ Remember, nothing you do EC or academically in your senior year will matter to them.

    Only thing that they will take into consideration that you control is your SAT/ACT and PFT.

    It will be up to you to stay on top of the new scores being included in your record if they are better, but I see no reason why to wait for AFROTC submission impo.

    Again, AROTC and NROTC in your case of being President for Beta matters, but it doesn't for AFROTC.

    AFROTC is closer to NROTC. Major matters. There are 80%+ go to STEM. College selection choice does not matter to them; as long as the college accepts AFROTC you can take it there. You need no approval from HQ.

    Take the time now and read through older posts instead of asking questions. I don't mind answering...obviously, but you/we are not reinventing the wheel here. You will gain great insight from spending time using the search and viewing everything that can assist you.
    ~ IE Many posters have insight to certain colleges. TAMU, VMI, VT, Boise, USC, UMDCP, ERAU, UMiami, U Ohio, U Mich, Notre Dame, NCST., and the list goes on and on.
    ~~ Point is they are great resources. Their older posts can give great insight for interviews.

    Off topic.
    No offense to you, or any 2020 candidate, but this is why I believe we need stickies here on this forum. Every year right now we go through the explanation of how each ROTC branch is different for the application process.

    June
    ~ I just started my application...chance me

    Aug/Sept. it will be:
    ~ I/my kid (scholarship) failed the PFT at college :eek: what's next
    ~ When do they pay tuition/books/stipend?
    ~ NROTC candidate said they meet in late Aug., no word yet and it 9/30

    Aug-Dec
    ~ Interview... what should I wear? What will they ask? Should I bring a resume?

    Oct-Feb
    ~ No answer when will we hear?
    ~ What were your stats?
    ~ How were you informed?
    ~ Got a scholarship, but no answer from the college. What now?
    ~ Got a scholarship, but rejection from the college. What now?
    ~ DoDMERB ....:bang:

    Mar-May
    ~ DoDMERB:argue1:
    ~ Chances they will transfer my ROTC scholarship?

    May-July
    ~ Graduation acknowledgement night
    ~ I am filling out my ROTC scholarships...can you chance me?

    July-Aug
    ~ My child has a ROTC scholarship, what should they bring?
    ~ DANG DODMERB :blowup: the waiver is still not approved yet, what will happen when they arrive?

    Notice the circle is complete. 1 year from start to finish.
     
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  13. Pima

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    I would talk to your GC. The pre-req works in your favor, the 6.0 and 90 scale ... not so much.

    IS for AFROTC does not matter regarding selection. It does matter for you because all you need is a Type 7. Ranking schools is not part of their equation. Intended major will matter.

    Apply
     
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    why isnt the 6.0 in my favor? I still earn mediocre grades (usually A along with the occasional B's)
     
  15. Pima

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    Not saying it was not in your favor. Stated it would not be what you have on record. Weighting for them is 4.5 as far as I know.

    IE 6.0 scale weight, A is 90% would be 5.4
    4.5 scale 90% for an A would be 4.05. 95 would be 4.275

    You had a 4.67. Do your own math for weighting on a 4.5 scale so you can understand how it will change.

    This is where school profile becomes a factor when it comes to boarding.
    ~ 4.67 on a 6.0 scale with 7 APs out of 8 on a 10 point scale is different that 4.67 on a 7 point scale and the weight is 5.0.

    They have to take that into the equation. Do you disagree with me regarding this premise?
    ~ An 84 on a 7 point would be a C. 5.o would equate to a much lower cgpa than your B on a 6.0.

    Just saying, they rework it, because my kids only could get 4.5 for AP, and on 7 point scale for weighting. You had 6.0 and 10 point scale.

    Just saying 4.67 out of 6.0 does not mean when you meet the board it is more competitive than a 4.28.
    ~ The kid from Alaska will compete with the kids from TX, CA, NC and ND. All of them will submit their cgpa.

    That is the problem with the chance me threads and the I have X.YZ123 cgpa. The assumption is that their HS is the same with every HS in the nation. It isn't!
    ~ It is also why SAT and ACT scores matter...that is the same for every HS in the nation

    I wish you good luck. I thank you for wanting to defend this great nation. I hope your dreams come true.
     
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