Rotc scholarship questions

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  1. Kensy

    Kensy Member

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    My question is, is it possible to apply to multiple scholarships for each branch? ex: Army, Air force
    I live California, Los Angeles County (Currently a high school senior)
    *California resident going for local colleges

    Unweighted Gpa: 3.0 (horrible); lots of extra curriculars, retaking act on Oct 25th
    Major: Non technical Criminal Justice
    Schools: Cal State Fullerton, Cal state Sacramento, Loyola Marymount

    1. What are the differences and are they equally competitive?
    2. How can I make an appointment for my PMS interview and how should I get ready?
    3. For the Guidance Counselor Feedback, how does my counselor send it to the program?

    Thank you for your time
     
  2. Pima

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    You can apply for every service ROTC scholarship, but before you do, ask yourself if you are willing to serve 4 years active duty upon graduating.

    Also investigate how each scholarship varies.

    For example:
    AFROTC scholarship is more like a 2 +2 scholarship. You must be selected for field training in the spring of your sophomore year. If not selected they can and probably will disenroll you, which means if you need the scholarship to pay for school, you can be SOL the last two years of college.
    ~ last years selection rate was @60%. However, if you don't want to go rated, and are a CJ major, I believe that rate was @30% or even lower. I can't recall for sure, but that is sticking in my mind.

    AFROTC does not care what school you choose, unless you are offered a type 7. In that case if the school agrees to charge you IS tuition, they again don't care. The scholarship is tied to the cadet, not the school like AROTC

    AFROTC cares a lot about your intended major. 80% + of all scholarships go to Tech majors

    AFROTC selection uses best sitting. They do not super score. The median ACT for a type 7 is over 29, and a type 1 it is @31.

    If I was to be brutally honest, between the criminal justice major and the 3.0 cgpa, unless that ACT is over 30, your chances are not very high unless you have some type of hook. As I said earlier AFROTC does not tie the scholarship to the college, just the cadet. Thus, they couldn't care if one college has 100% on scholarship and another has 0%. It is a national board, highest whole candidate score (WCS) wins the scholarship. AROTC and NROTC OTOH ties the scholarship to the cadet and the college.

    The overall selection rate is @18% of those boarded for AFROTC.

    You have 0% chance if you don't apply, so you should apply.

    For AFROTC the interview will not occur until your packet is completed, including the PFA. It is a step process. Complete the packet, than they decide if you are competitive enough to go onto the next step. AFROTC will state a 24E is typically considered non competitive to become a candidate. At that point you will have an interview. You than will be what is called boarded. If selected than the next step is the DoDMERB.

    If my memory serves me correctly, but I may be confusing it with the SA packet. The GC will go online and submit it electronically. You will never see what they submitted. It will be questions regarding your class rank, your course rigor (how many APs you took compared to how many are offered compared to your peers) they also will look at the school profile. How many go to Ivy, how many got to 4 year, CC or work force. They do this because a 3.0 at your HS may seem low, but if your class rank is 10% and 25% go Ivy, than it tells them the school is rigorous and do not hand out As like candy on Halloween
     
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  3. Vista123

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    All of Pima's answers are helpful for AFROTC and should be seriously considered. Therefore you may have an easier time with Army ROTC than Airforce ROTC.

    Less of a focus on tech majors. Criminal justice may be a good match for army. Your GPA isnt a deal breaker depending on your school selection. Though you need a better than avg ACT score so keep retaking.

    A problem that stands out is you may not go in the first few boards so may be looking at a 3 yr. I do know that at my sons school some 3 yr scholarship winners got boosted to 4 yr right before school started. Once you get there you can work on contracting early to get a 3.5 yr.

    One other hitch is your summer opportunities after MS1 are based on your senior yr GPA (IE Culp is based on senior yr GPA for Ms1s)-so you'll have to really knock your PFT out of the park for extra points.
     
  4. nofodad

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    +1 Vista, remember that CULP is for contracted cadets only, so if you're on a 3 or 3.5 year scholarship, or if you have a campus based 4 year and for some reason contract after October, you'll miss the deadline.
     
  5. Pima

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    I would also remind you that AROTC allows cadets to go Reserve/Guard. AFROTC and NROTC typically do not offer that option. Expect AD for them. Not everyone wants to go AD
     
  6. nofodad

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    I should clarify you'll miss CULP deadline your MSI year.
     
  7. Kensy

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    Should I meet up with my local army/air force recruiter for help? And I was thinking of doing OSI or CID as my choice. The scholarships do they affect your chances depending on your major? Also I cannot find the PFT forms..
    Thank you for your time
     
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  8. Pima

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    Kensy, we have stated the answer is different. AFROTC and NROTC yes. AROTC no.

    Here is the complete breakdown for AFROTC.
    1. Type 1 is full tuition, no limit on cost.
    ~ 5% of all scholarships are this type. Out of that 5%, only 5% will go to non-tech majors.
    ~ Statically if they hold to only giving a total of @900 scholarships. 45 will be type 1 and maybe 3 will go non-tech

    2. Type 2 will pay UP TO 18k for tuition. If tuition costs less, you do not keep the difference. If it costs more you can pay the difference
    ~ 15% of all scholarships are type 2. 75% at least go to tech.
    ~ Statistically, @135 will get this scholarship. 35 will go to non tech majors

    3. Type 7 will pay IS tuition. If you want to go OOS or private the cost not exceed the IS rate. Unlike type 2, you are not allowed to pay the difference. You can convert a type 7 4 year to a 3 year type 2.
    ~ 80% of all scholarships are this type, and 75% go tech!
    ~ Statistically @ 720 will receive this scholarship and out of that 180 will go non tech.

    So if you look at it, your best odds are going to be a type 7.

    One other difference for AFROTC is that they do not offer 3 year scholarships. They are all 4 year. Caveat the type 7 aspect.
     
  9. Sampia

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    NROTC has the Marine option which you would apply to separately from the Navy. Your major does not matter nearly as much there. However the physical requirements are much more intense.
     
  10. AROTCPMS

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    Hi Kensy,

    I actually was the PMS at Claremont McKenna and then USC so I know the CSU Fullerton program very well.

    Interestingly, your GPA counts very little towards your overall score. Hard to judge your chances without your SAT/ACT scores.

    Rob Kirkland (LTC, USA ret.)
    "The Insider's Guide to the Army ROTC Scholarship for High School Students and Their Parents (Amazon)"
     
  11. Kensy

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    My PFT scores are 46 pushups (1min) 68 curl ups (1min) 1mile: 7 min 59 sec 89 I am 18 years old and I changed my major to computer science if that affects anything...
     
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  12. Illini190

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    If you wish to speak to an AFROTC specific admissions officer, one who just graduated AFROTC and is now a 2d Lt on active duty, I am one of three in your area. We have two others, one at UCLA who does the entire LA area, and one at Sacramento, who does the whole Sacramento area. If you are interested in speaking to one of us, let me know, and I can arrange for one of us to answer all your AFROTC questions.
     

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