Salvia

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  1. superusafa

    superusafa New Member

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    Since its not illegal is it still against USAFA rules? I dont want to do anything to get my appointment revoked by failing a drug test at I-Day.

    So can I smoke and not worry?
     
  2. Luigi59

    Luigi59 Banned

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    Why are you smoking it?
     
  3. Marine75-78

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    If you are 18, I believe tobacco is legal.
     
  4. capini

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    It took me one minute on the internet to determine that if you are smoking salvia, I would appreciate it if you did not show up on I-Day. I don't want my son anywhere near you. You are kidding with this, right? This is the antithesis of what the USAFA is looking for in a new cadet.

    Capini
     
  5. superusafa

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    capini dont be so ignorant. I bet your kid has smoked weed before and drinks at parties. What high school senior doesnt?

    I simply dont want to screw myself over.

    I did some research and apparently the military is the only organization that has tests capable of detecting Salvorin A so it looks like Im outa luck. I dont want to risk having it in my system for I-Day even though it is 2 months away.
     
  6. Luigi59

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    Salvia is a drug. Legal as of today (although it is illegal in some areas of the country).

    If you are smoking it, I assume you are doing so to get high.

    In other words, you have a history of drug abuse.

    Which is a DQ under DODMERB 232.60.

    According to Ven Sovo of Tinker AFB Joint Drug Enforcement Team (a division of the Air Force Office of Special Investigations, Detachment 114), use of salvia falls within the Air Force's definition of drug abuse.

    Drug abuse is "the illegal, wrongful or improper use, possession, sale, transfer or introduction onto a military installation of any drug," Sovo told the news service. And the Air Force defines drugs as "any intoxicating substance, other than alcohol, that is inhaled, injected, consumed or introduced into the body in any manner for purposes of altering mood or function."


    :thumbdown:
     
  7. vullnnoid

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    Ignore the troll.
    These aren't the droids you're looking for.
    You can go about your business.
    Move along...
     
  8. Mikil

    Mikil USAFA Cadet

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    Lol...nice Star Wars quote there, vullnnoid!
     
  9. USAFA hopeful

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    I've got a concern about marijuana also. I've never smoked it, however, this past year, I've lived in my dorm at college where a lot of people do. I've only ever been able to smell it but I heard it can show up in a urinalysis even if it was second hand smoke. Is there some way they can distinguish if you've actually been smoking?
     
  10. Christcorp

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    First, let me make it quite clear that I have absolutely NO, NONE, ZERO, NADA, tolerance for anyone in MY AIR FORCE who uses drugs. Even marijuana. But for the innocent 2nd hand smoke/bystander, here is some basic info. (I was station in Amsterdam Holland for 4 years and am very knowledgeable about 2nd hand exposure to Hash and Marijuana). Anyway:

    If you are a regular user, the Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) can stay in your body for up to 90 days. Actually, it's not the Tetrahydrocannabinol, because that breaks down relatively quickly, and it's the THC metabolites that are actually found in your urine and blood. For the occasional user, it will last in your body for about 10-13 days. 2nd hand exposure is very low because unless you were in a room at a party and the entire room was full of smoke, chances are that you probably wouldn't have enough exposure to be in your system in a noticeable quantity.

    So what I'm say is; if all you did was smell it occasionally as you walked down the halls of a dorm; and you weren't actually breathing it in (as in the actual smoke); then the Tetrahydrocannabinol has almost no chance of getting into your system. Therefor there wouldn't be anything to metabolize; and therefor no metabolites being excreted through your urine. In other words, you will be fine.

    As for superusafa; I know he's a troll. You can tell by the post and the mentality level of his response. But if someone has applied to the academy, is applying, will apply, or worse yet received an appointment and will be attending in June; and by chance you do smoke marijuana, Salvia, or any other drug that is not prescribed; I hope and pray that you are caught, your appointment is taken away, that all your options and opportunities are taken from you, and that you wind up homeless, jobless, and you rot in hell. And for clarification; I don't feel this way about ANYONE who is not in the military and chooses to smoke pot or any other type of drug. You're an adult. Take your chances and best of luck to you. But when you're in MY Military; the lives, lifestyle, and freedoms of an entire country are bestowed upon you. If you want to do drugs, don't join the military. If you do, I hope you get nailed to the cross.

    Oh by the way; "Have a great day. Best of Luck..... Mike". Hee hee Hee
     
  11. Bombtrack

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    Wow, I can't believe this question was even asked.

    NO- I'm a senior and I don't smoke or drink at parties or any function. I have seen friends fall under these habits and have made the easy choice of not toying with my mind and jeopardizing other people's lives at the same time. Your logic is flawed.

    At any other time, because I have friends who smoke and drink, I would say that Christcorp was being harsh on you, but I can't help to say that I agree 100%. It is soon to be MY and a bunch of other people who post here's Air Force also and I don't want any bit of it on the hands of someone who looks carefully at drug rules to see if s/he can get away with doing something like that.
     
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    Innocent bystanders

    Graduation parties, proms, etc - anyone naive enough to think that there won't be substances there?

    Gotta counsel the kids to avoid those situations, leave the premises when the stuff shows up, don't be around it. There is simply too much to lose, even if you are innocent and doing nothing, you can be ticketed. There is insufficient time to fight that battle and get into the Academy at this point.

    We have some really dumb drug and alcohol rules in this country, but the rules ARE the rules, and Appointees just have no margin for error at this point.
     
  13. LineInTheSand

    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    We had a case when I was a cadet where a cadet smoked salvia. It wasn't illegal. Remember, out in the real world, it's also not against the rules to be in a room with a closed door and a member of the opposite sex. Needless to say, the cadet who was smoking salvia is no longer a cadet and never graduated.
     
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    When I was a cadet this activity would have constituted: "Gross Poor Judgement" and would have had an appropriate "hit" associated with it.

    If one of my junior officers were "caught" smoking this...I would immediately consult with the JAG at the base to determine what I could do as his/her commander.

    If they said: "Sir, legally, nothing" then that'd be it LEGALLY however mark me: I would STRONGLY doubt that individuals professional judgment. And trust me, the QUICKEST way for an officer to be "dead" career-wise is to have a commander (that would be me) doubt your:

    a. Integrity/Word
    b. Judgment
    c. Professionalism

    Salvia is ONLY used for one purpose: to attain a chemically induced euphoric state of disassociation. I'm not going to debate the "...it's like XXX or YYY or anything..." and isn't dangerous, etc., here. Perhaps in the future it will be very much like alcoholic beverages; sold openly, and with no issues. BUT until the true effects/side effects/etc., are known and documented, I will reserve the right to think that an officer, or officer candidate, that openly uses this compound JUST to "get high" is NOT the type I want to serve with me.

    Just my $1.27 worth.

    Steve, Lt Col, USAF
    USAFA ALO
     
  16. mdsu

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    the end was pretty harsh.
     
  17. AFAplease

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    I am pretty sure that we all signed a statement saying that we haven't and wouldn't use such substances from the date of our application onward. Even though this is "legal", if the AF and DODMERB considers it a "DQ" or "drug abuse"-it is. If you do not have enough self respect for yourself to abstain from mind altering drugs...you DO NOT deserve an appointment. The waiting list is full of more qualified candidates and your appointment was obviously a mistake.
     
  18. capini

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    The end wasn't harsh enough.

    Have a child. Raise him to be the very best he can be. Watch him make the decision to serve his country at the potential risk of his own life. See someone enter this hallowed sphere and decide that drug use is negotiable. No, he wasn't harsh enough.
     
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    WoW I have never felt anger before in my life like this, First off why would someone post something like this, it seems to me like you don't care for starters and you also don't realize how much of hard work it was for you to get that appointment, I truly hope you lose it, sorry to say it and I don't like people hating on others, but after seeing videos of what that substance can do to you on youtube I am not laughing at all in fact it just darn right ticks me off that someone could even get an appointment, Oh goodness I hope your parents know about what you have been doing, because if you were my kids I would bend you over my knee and spank you 12 times then make you be on restriction for at least a year I am serious no fun and games with that garbage.
     
  20. Christcorp

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    mdsu; I can understand you perception that what I said was harsh. Now try and understand mine. I'm not "TOO" old; (47 years old). But I did live through the drug culture of the 60's and 70's. I am not naive or was I sheltered from it. My mom was 15 when I was born; lived in the New York City/New Jersey area. I am very knowledgeable of the entire culture.

    However, I believe in individuals being 100% responsible for their own actions. And when you sign on to being in the military; whether it's enlisted or commissioned, you "ACCEPT" a certain level of responsibility that comes with that commitment. In our country, you are allowed to do a lot of things. Drinking, over eating, grow your hair long, live in a nudist colony, and the list goes on. However; even though each of these things are LEGAL, none of them are consistent with military life. And they aren't tolerated. As I said (Go Back and read it); I don't hold ill feelings towards ANYONE who makes these choices in the private sector. Even illegal drugs. More power to you. I wish the BEST FOR THEM. But NOT in the military. That is NOT an option, nor is it negotiable. Not happening. I won't even debate it. And we're talking about 100% freedom of choice here. We're not talking about someone who was on pain medication after surgery and became addicted to prescription drugs. We're not talking about alcohol, which is legal, but was abused and now you are an alcoholic with a disease. We're talking about something that is totally NOT ALLOWED. And Choosing to do something in the military that is NOT allowed, gives me total freedom to express my feelings that you get caught and what the punishment is to you. Just as each circumstance warrants a different response, that is the response that I hope for someone who purposely chooses to do drugs in the military.

    Now mind you, I also don't believe in all the other "Social Excuses". I.e. I don't believe that something happened in the water, food, air, etc... to give kids ADD or ADHD today, but NOT 30-40 years ago. The kids are no different. What is different is that parents aren't allowed to PARENT their children. Yes, I believe in corporal punishment. I believe parents should be allowed to spank their child without being afraid of family services.

    I am for total freedom. I remember the 60's and 70's. I agree with the freedom culture. However, I believe in personal responsibility. That is the part that people want to overlook. If the job you apply to says you cut your hair, then you should HAVE to cut your hair if you want the job. You shouldn't be able to cry prejudice, racism, sexism, etc... every time you don't like what those paying you want. Military is no different. They have rules. This isn't the draft. You have a choice. If you don't like the rules, then don't enlist, don't get commissioned, get the hell out. It's pretty simple. There are plenty of other occupations that allow you to live any lifestyle you like. later... mike...
     
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