Sat Scores

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  1. UsnA2016applicant

    UsnA2016applicant Member

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    I am an applicant to USNA c/o 2016 and was wondering if my SAT scores are to low. 560 math 590 verbal. I am retaking it as many times as I need to, but worse case scenario and these were my highest scores would I be competitive for admission at all. I am well rounded(straight A's mostly,lots of ec's,and a varcity athlete)
     
  2. equestriangrl93

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    Yes, your SAT scores are low by USNA's standards. They like to see scores in the 600 range for math and reading. Keep taking the test until you raise your scores. You can try taking the ACT too. Also, be more careful with your spelling/use of words.
     
  3. summer1942

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    Buy SAT training materials (CD, books etc.) and keep taking the test. My son took total 5 or 6 tests before he can brought up his math score to 690.

    Sorry , but your scores are too low to get 3Qs. You must improve it. Try to get at least mid 600 range.

    Good luck.
     
  4. usna1985

    usna1985 USNA Alumnus

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    It will help your application to improve your scores -- especially getting your math over 600. I can't say no one is ever admitted with those scores, but it's a harder road to climb.

    I agree with the above poster that you need to do something to improve other than retaking. IF you can afford a course, that may be an option. If not, you can easily study on your own. That's what I did years ago. I took on the SAT as an "extra" course, and devoted ~45 minutes each night working on the SAT books and it paid off. There's probably on-line stuff today.:smile:
     
  5. Whistle Pig

    Whistle Pig Banned

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    And these responses assume you are not among the priority target groups, in which case these guidelines are different.
     
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    usna1985 USNA Alumnus

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    Based on personal experience with candidates, the above statement is not always accurate. I've seen well-qualified minorities (including those with higher SATs than the OP) turned down . . . just as well-qualified non-minorities are turned down.
     
  7. crair70

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    Posted on a different thread but can you please explain "priority target groups".
    Also on ACT scores- how does a 26 English and 28 Math look. From what I can gather (conversion charts) it is in the middle 50% range but on the low end... Is this correct?
     
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    Of course it is not accurate on a candidate-by-candidate basis. There are no doubt many minorities who need no benefit of lowered expectations on SAT/ACT, competing well with the non-minorities.

    But I'm fully confident those well-qualified minorities (including those with higher SATs than the OP) whom you note were turned down, have not been denied because of either too low or too high SATs. Those TWEs are for other failures and limitations.

    But NOT "just as well-qualified non-minorities are turned down." These are for lack of space and others being more qualified. Conversely, minority priority candidates who are 3Qed and well-qualified will be found a space. Guaranteed.

    I understand that many do not like or appreciate these facts and realities being exposed, and much prefer to discuss the candidate pool as one, homogenous bunch. Doing so is at least denial and disingenuous. And most important relative to this forum, it risks appearing deceptive in failing to acknowledge and inform the complete picture. No matter what it is, always best to be open, transparent, forthcoming in lieu of the alternatives.

    My contention stands. The "600" rule-of-thumb does not hold for minority priority groups.
     
  9. Craig

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    This straight off the 2015 Class Profile

    college board data
    Middle 50th percentile*
    •Verbal 590-720 •Math 610-730
    * 50% of the class achieved SAT scores within the range
    between the 25th and 75th percentile

    Every year is different. Obviously the higher the better. Take often. Try the ACT too. Some kids do better, some do worst when taking the ACT (actual links that discuss this). My daughter has only done PSAT with College Board, but did ACT this past FEB as a SO and like the test better (and did well - proud daddy). See is still scheduled to take the SAT this DEC and takes the ACT again this Saturday. All her schools list the above stats on their websites. Some will show ACT too. Navy does not.
     
  10. Packer

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    Whistle Pig, this is right on. Why is it that the "powers that be" can not grasp this. Tell it like it is. We may not like it or agree with it but we will respect it a whole lot more if it is entirely in the open.
     
  11. MIDNDAD

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    Keep in mind all the Academies are primarily 'engineering focused" schools. Even the group III majors, (economics, political science, language, etc) can be considered stealth engineers. ( They may not like enginnering as a field but they can complete the same course load if they had to)

    Your target for the Math SAT should be 700. The verbal 630-680. Realize your Math SAT score is twice as imprortant as the verbal in regards to admission scoring. Hitting those targets gaurantees you nothing but it puts you in a much better situation to compete.
     
  12. navy2016

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    I am a minority with 35 math and 33 English on the ACT. Whether I will get the appointment, no one knows yet.


    As for the main thread, I strongly reccomend you try the ACT. I find the ACT math section much easier/straightfoward. It does go into early pre-cal concepts but questions are worded more straightfoward. Question do not appear to be trick questions.

    SAT English sections tends to have a fair amount of vocab; ACT test more towards gramatical structures with vocab only being tested as part of word choice.
     
  13. Whistle Pig

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    They do grasp it. And for that very reason, they make a specific determination to not overtly, transparently expose it. Why? I'd speculate because it cannot bear the light.
     
  14. Rac_1931

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    WP I have been a reader of this forum for more than a year. Although I will not refute your assertion in regards to priority minority groups, why the constant focus? What about universities that have provided preferential treatment for legacy students? Have all universities in the United States always admitted the best and brightest? I am sure there are many instances in which Daddy’s legacy has provided influence.

    Of all institutions in the US, the military at all levels has to reflect the diversity of its population in order to maintain support of the majority of the populace. Name any public or private institution in the US that is strictly a meritocracy and I will name you 10 oligarchies. Life isn’t fair.
     
  15. Craig

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    Universities that have provided preferential treatment for legacy students don't have a mission of producing military officers to lead our sons and daughters in dangerous places/situation.

    I like to think that the public supports the military because we defend the country, not because the military reflect the diversity of its population.

    Our military is not diverse as you think according to a Heritage Org study -

    "In summary, we found that, on average, 1999 recruits were more highly educated than the equiv*alent general population, more rural and less urban in origin, and of similar income status. We did not find evidence of minority racial exploitation (by race or by race-weighted ZIP code areas). We did find evidence of a ?Southern military tradition? in that some states, notably in the South and West, provide a much higher proportion of enlisted troops by population.

    The household income of recruits generally matches the income distribution of the American population. There are slightly higher proportions of recruits from the middle class and slightly lower proportions from low-income brackets. However, the proportion of high-income recruits rose to a disproportionately high level after the war on ter*rorism began, as did the proportion of highly edu*cated enlistees. All of the demographic evidence that we analyzed contradicts the pro-draft case."

    http://www.heritage.org/Research/Re...of-US-Military-Recruits-Before-and-After-9-11
     
  17. Rac_1931

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    "Universities that have provided preferential treatment for legacy students don't have a mission of producing military officers to lead our sons and daughters in dangerous places/situation."

    The previous 4 Commanders-in-Chief have come from Ivy League schools. The conduct of the War in Iraq was as much dictated by the soldiers on the ground as it was by the men in Washington of which many were not trained military officers. I would like think that those who get us into combat are as competent as those who lead in combat, but that is not generally the case.

    "In summary, we found that, on average, 1999 recruits were more highly educated than the equiv*alent general population, more rural and less urban in origin, and of similar income status. We did not find evidence of minority racial exploitation (by race or by race-weighted ZIP code areas). We did find evidence of a ?Southern military tradition? in that some states, notably in the South and West, provide a much higher proportion of enlisted troops by population."

    Having lived in the South for 40 years and an understanding as of 1990 that 40% of our military came from 7 Southeastern States, it is a long-term view that an institution for the common good of its people must in the long-term represent the people which it serves. If you don't show the population from which you draw that there is opportunity for that population within this institution, you won't maintain the support of the populace. Our country is becoming more diverse, and lagging populations that are behind economically and educationally will need to be brought to standard if we are to survive as a country.

    I am sure that throwing money alone will not resolve the issue. Given a choice and all things being equal, the same standard should be applied. Things are not equal.
     
  18. UsnA2016applicant

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    Whistle pig who are considered part of the priority target group
     
  19. Whistle Pig

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    2016app ... If we're willing to go far enough in our genealogical research, aren't we all? Or in studying our ancestoral residencies? Why do you ask?

    Rac's missing the mark here, and expanding on that would merely exacerbate the diversion.

    What is particularly notable in this is how youth and even some more mature learners have been brain-washed about the need to question if affirmative action, equal opportunity, the definition of "diversity", and social engineering have going forward, or ever did have merit beyond politicizing. Not even questioned by most.
     
  20. neugs

    neugs USNA 2015 Appointee

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    I got in with a 710 math and 580 critical reading. But it's not just SAT scores, its the whole thing. So even though my reading might have been low, I counteracted that with being a captain to three varsity sports, 12 varsity letters, a 4.37 GPA, 4th in class, all APs and Honors classes, lots of community service, good recommendations and other things. You have to keep that in mind, they are not just looking at one thing or another. A lot of things can balance each other out. Don't worry!
     

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