Saving the A-10

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(With the notable exception of the professional skills like medicine and law).
 
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scoutpilot said:
Contracting officers also aren't nearly as competitive for those jobs outside the military as they are inside. That's always one of the great comparison fallacies that officers use on their favor. "I could do so much better on the outside." You could, if you could be hired at the top tier of pay for your field.

Nobody who wants to make real money tries to get hired on the outside doing what they did in the service.
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Might this be a reason why the military is so top heavy with senior officers.
 
cb7893 said:
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Might this be a reason why the military is so top heavy with senior officers.
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Do you mean general officers?

I've talked to airmen who were getting head-hunted for six-figure jobs before their first assignment was even up. The company trying to attract them did a lot of business with the military/gov. and wanted people who knew how the military system worked.
I also know a guy who was in the research side in the military, but now does financial/management consulting with a large firm. He's making pretty good money.
Then again, there are former fighter pilots driving buses at Disney World. Their plans didn't go quite as they thought.

As a young helicopter pilot, only the top jobs on the civilian side pay equal or better than what I make now, but I don't have the experience required to land one of those.
An experienced heavy/transport pilot could probably do pretty well, if they got picked up by a major airline.
 
raimius said:
Do you mean general officers?
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I was thinking O-5 and above. I admit to being weak on flag vs. general vs. senior distinctions.

I guess I was agreeing with Scout that the monetary compensation for military officers (cash and benefits) is quite good compared to the civilian economy, particularly when closing in on 20 years. Granted the sacrifices are huge, but high paying jobs with good benefits aren't out there for the plucking.
 
It's important to remember if the position on the outside pays the same, or slightly more than you're making IN the military, you'd likely SEE less. Why? BAH is a big reason.
 
cb7893 said:
I was thinking O-5 and above. I admit to being weak on flag vs. general vs. senior distinctions.

I guess I was agreeing with Scout that the monetary compensation for military officers (cash and benefits) is quite good compared to the civilian economy, particularly when closing in on 20 years. Granted the sacrifices are huge, but high paying jobs with good benefits aren't out there for the plucking.
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I think discussion about compensation COMPARSION is pointless.

I have no sympathy for folks that join the military for pay or benefits, a word comes to my mind - mercenary
I have no sympathy for folks that join the military not realizing what military life style entails.
I have no sympathy for folks that think active duty service members that make X on the pay chart is taking home less money than a civilian that makes X + $5000 (or some other figure).
 
LineInTheSand said:
It's important to remember if the position on the outside pays the same, or slightly more than you're making IN the military, you'd likely SEE less. Why? BAH is a big reason.
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And it likely won't be in Kumquat, NM where you're stationed now and cost of living is a joke.
 
So with apologies for getting even further off the original topic....

Why is it that we so often see the non-taxed BAH talked about when comparing pay scales, but never the various insurances (health, dental, vision, temp disability, perm disability, etc) when these can have far more impact to the bottom line in many cases?

But please remember that compensation packages have a "free-market nature" to them, so roles that traditionally command higher compensation do so for a reason.... Meaning in this case that just because our troops are paid fairly, doesn't mean they don't earn every damn penny of it and then some. If we want a professional military, we need to compensate them as professionals. That includes compensation packages that take into account the sacrifices that are part of the role..... just like any good employer does.
 
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And it likely won't be in Kumquat, NM where you're stationed now and cost of living is a joke.
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If so civilian pay will be low also based on the cost of living. Civilian pay is based on locations also.

We should based our discussion on the norm, not exceptions.
 
MemberLG said:
If so civilian pay will be low also based on the cost of living. Civilian pay is based on locations also.

We should based our discussion on the norm, not exceptions.
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I think that's what he's saying. You would be in an area making good pay in the military, and the cost of living may be a joke, but your base pay will be the same no matter where you are. Get out and work in the same area, and the civilian pay is also lower because of the cost of living.

In an expensive area, your base pay will still be the same, but your non-taxed BAH will be significantly higher. At the end of the day, the illustration is that the military pay/benefits are pretty good and things won't always be as pretty on the outside.
 
This is all so laughable-- off topic from A-10 plus to F-35 negative. So what the heck! People the best gig out there is the Coast Guard- I laugh at the huge - heavy lifts(where' lunch)-the long and enduring hours(gotta get the kids at 3)-the stateside stress(got 3 houses 2 of which are rentals paying for themselves) and anxieties(too many to mention) to achieve such a relentless abuse on oneself that brings one down to countless disabilities (beyond belief and to be squeezed in a 20 year period - a feat in itself) from the youthful chipper age of 20 to the ripe old worn out disposable age of 40. Those of you who have a chance join now and excel thru the 20 yrs of bliss-you won't regret it! God Bless!
 
I was worried I'd miss a cga82 Coastie disabilities rant! But I didn't.

Was there a guy named Harker in your class? Left after two years?
 
cga82 said:
People the best gig out there is the Coast Guard- I laugh at the huge - heavy lifts(where' lunch)-the long and enduring hours(gotta get the kids at 3)-the stateside stress(got 3 houses 2 of which are rentals paying for themselves)
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Yep, those Buoys were light as a feather.

Pick up the kids at 3.....must have spent your time in a District Office.

3 houses/2 rentals.......I guess the CG is the only service that moves its people around every few years.

I certainly did miss these humorous rants, love how they can connect to just about any thread, this one was a bit of a reach though.
 
Hey don't knock it too much CG managed to make 84'ish on the Forbes 500 best places to work.
 
I always wonder if all of the negativety from cga82 resulted from his time in the Coast Guard (and how long he was actually in) or from his son's time at USMMA (not sure if he looked at CGA, or if he was accepted or rejected). The only time I've been so hard on a previous employer is when I left unhappy. He hasn't listed anything unique to the Coast Guard as a complaint. Always leaves me scratching my head.
 
Ya'll got it all wrong. Why would you want to work for a living?

I told the truth! The CG is a cup cake. All these under paid-equality to the outside 24/7 rants ya'll make ain't what it's like on ole CG.

Ranked 84ish that sucks, I would have thought more like in the top 10.

Resume' time for clep and lits--34yrs of experience how bout you (I'd love to hear all about it)? btw, I didn't know "my kid"--who is much more than a son than you would ever know -- went to Kings Point- you have no right to bring my son into your crap-btw he turned down CGA and KP.

For the rest, I meant it! The CG is the best gig out there-I see it everyday! I would feel a lot better if my son was in the CG.
 
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