Say goodbye to the Kings Pointer

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  1. NCDSDad

    NCDSDad DS in class of 2014

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    Check this out. Now MARAD has decided that the USMMA training ship Kings Pointer needs to go (to Texas A&M after a MARAD refurb!?). How are the mids, especially deckies, supposed to make up needed sea days? After the ouster of RADM Greene and with the dismantling of GMATS, one has to wonder what is next! What end-state does MARAD have in mind for KP?

    “MARAD is relieving the USMMA of their training ship, the T/V King’s Pointer, and pushing forward with plans to transfer the vessel to Galveston Texas, home of Texas A&M.”
    http://gcaptain.com/kings-disappointer-matsuda/
     
  2. LineInTheSand

    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    What's going to take its place? That's no-good! Booooooo....
     
  3. Waterbug

    Waterbug USMMA Midshipman

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    Kings Pointer sold + sea time?

    Does anyone know how students will make up sea days,seems to be quite a few that need to.

    thanks
     
  4. noworries

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  5. KPEngineer

    KPEngineer Eternal Father ...

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    Some kids may actually have to go back to sea after graduation. They will get their licenses and diplomas late too. For the most part, "not enough sea days" is easily preventable by maintaining priorities correctly.
     
  6. Capt MJ

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    She is a fine ship. I knew her in her Navy days, as USNS CONTENDER, a Navy Special Mission ship, when she was being readied for her new career at KP. Sad to see her go.
     
  7. Kram1

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    Hmmmm...MARAD retaliation perhaps? What's the point of rehab and then giving it to TX A&M and not back to KP?

    Something smells funny in Denmark...and in Great Neck...and in DC....
     
  8. cmakin

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    It is my understanding that with the upcoming Mallory Pier renovations, there will be no place to berth a vessel the size of the current Kings Pointer.
     
  9. Cartgate

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    You say that "not enough sea days is easily preventable", but not always so when your own academy loses your paperwork to get your Coast Guard card you need to sail on and you lose 4 valuable weeks of sailing time.
     
  10. Cartgate

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    They can go out after graduation, but then they don't get to graduate with their class even though they have done everything they were supposed to do.
     
  11. Luigi59

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    Wow. This is a bad sign. :thumbdown:
     
  12. luv2fly

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    You gotta the love the DOT!!!

    MORONs at the helm of the DOT!!

    luv2fly
     
  13. bluesand17

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    KP won't close, will it?
     
  14. KPEngineer

    KPEngineer Eternal Father ...

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    Hence the "for the most part" preceding the "not enough sea days is easily preventable". I saw many mids forgo sea time to participate in extracurricular activities. If that were someone's choice then, I would have no sympathy for them to not have something to fall back on now. I also lost time by having my orders changed at the last minute. I mean literally at the last minute. I was loading my gear in the car for my trip to the airport to catch my ship. I ended up sailing through the Holidays and until the first week of January in order to get more than 150 days my first sea year because that was my priority, not to be short going into the second sea year.

    I have had my own frustrating battles with KP and the USCG so I can feel your pain and in that instance you would have my sympathy.
     
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    DS says mids are happy to see it go. I dont understand completely but thats what he said.
     
  17. jasperdog

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    My understanding(s) from talking to my DS:

    1) No place to dock it while Mallory Pier gets rebuilt - a very, very much needed Capital improvement that will take considerable time.

    2) For some time there's been lots of discussion if it was a good training vessel/fit for it's role and USMMA's needs, and it is very expensive to operate and requires several (vice one or two) licensed officers to get underway and use for training - further driving up operating costs.

    3) Texas A&M has needed a new training ship for sometime - my DS said 4 years, and their training Ship hadn't left the pier and gotten underway for that time because it was unsafe to operate. Apparently they (Texas A&M) have been sending their C/M to sea terms aboard the Golden Bear (Cal Maritime) and/or Empire State (SUNY-MC) during that time.

    4) My DS said Kings Pointers could get sea days (up to some number) aboard Liberator and that recently some had made up sea time on the SI Ferry. He also speculated if necessary something could be worked out to make up some sea days aboard the Empire State (SUNY-MC) until the pier was repaired and another more suitable vessel of vessels had been identified and made available to USMMA.

    5) Personally from what I've seen while the Kings Pointer hasn't been bad, there has to be better alternatives such as a) a couple more YP's like Liberator which could be tied up on the other side of Haugue Basin during the Mallory Pier renovations and only require one (1) licensed officer to take Mids out and get underway for training; or b) when a pier is again available a larger training vessel on size order of current Kings Pointer but with a power system/engine that is more on the order a normal Mid-Speed diesel and like a more typical commercial vessel vice the diesel-electric plant the current Kings Pointer has and that is not normally found on a commercial vessel such as c) one of the more modern and larger offshore supply vessels with some of the aft deck enclosed and converted into berthing an living spaces to enable say 20-30 midshipmen to get underway for a couple of days ... and we could go on... Why Texas A&M hasn't done something like a - c hasn't been done by Texas A&M if they haven't been able to get their TS underway for 4 years escapes me, but who knows.

    I will say I do imagine that this action, though it may be necessary does make it harder for the Classes of 2013, 2014, 2015 and the incoming Class of 2016 to make sure they get an adequate number of sea days. That said I anticipate the midshipmen will be more focused and prioritize things to make sure they do get the required number of days while on their two sea years.
     
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  18. CW2

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    Add to the list.......

    ......just shaking my head here. Another disappointment.
     
  19. NCDSDad

    NCDSDad DS in class of 2014

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    Getting to the point, from Jasperdog:

    Yeah, this stinks if you are 2013 or 2014 A split and don't even know about this change while you are out to sea right now. Could really put some of them, especially deckies, in a bind...
     
  20. LineInTheSand

    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    They'll know about it if they ever check email or the internet.
     

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