Sea year and sports

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  1. cruisemom67

    cruisemom67 DD USMMA Class of 2020

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    DD plays volleyball, and I am curious how sea year works if the team makes playoffs. It seems playoffs would run past the time scheduled to go to sea during both 3c and 2c years. Does anyone know how this would work?
     
  2. cmakin

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    Just a guess, but I imagine that it would be handled by which "split" they were assigned for Sea Year.
     
  3. Mman5247

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    Split assignment is tailored for the specific sport season. Playoffs and other commitments (such as helping with Indoc) can infringe upon the start of sea term but it is handled on a case by case basis. You can get a late start but still get in your required days. Of course, if there is any conflict, the sea days takes priority. The student, coach and ATR can discuss any constraints. Generally they are able to work things out.
     
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  4. beyond

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    It's called "holding over" and a good handful of athletes do it. You stay on campus until your sport wraps up.

    It's possible though that you'll fall behind on sea days which is a slippery slope that cost a few classmates a timely graduation.
     
  5. MMA19kid

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    interesting, since the holdovers do sea days on the Kings Pointer, and a day on a training vessel is 1.5x or so a day on a regular vessel.
     
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  6. beyond

    beyond KπΣ15'

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    Can you cite the CFR on that? We didn't have a Kings Pointer for most of my time there... But when we did it was just day for day and there was a limit to the number of sea days you could get from the KP'r.
     
  7. KP Eng

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    @MMA19kid - 46CFR Part 310 doesn't support your 1.5x days if on a training vessel. We had the KPer while I was in school, I did a couple weeks on it and got day for day.
    @beyond - Love you calling him out for a CFR citation. The sea lawyer is strong with you!
     
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  8. cruisemom67

    cruisemom67 DD USMMA Class of 2020

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    If she is a holdover, it would only be for a week or less. Would she still only be able to do the kings pointer ship?
     
  9. KPEngineer

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    He’s half right. In that days on “a’ training vessel could be 1½ …

    CFR 10.232 – Sea Service

    Section (h) - Day

    (5) For cadet service on a training ship furnished by the Maritime Administration under 46 CFR 310.4, a day may be creditable as 11⁄2 days of service.

    … but not on the KPer since 310.4 only applies to State Schools.

    “1.5x or so a day on a regular vessel.” Isn’t exactly right either since you can get 1½ on a “regular” vessel if you are on a 2-watch system standing 12 hours of watch a day.
     
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    Holding over for that period of time, I wouldn't even worry about sea days. Plenty of her classmates will be sitting at home for longer than that waiting for their ships anyway.
     
  11. deepsea

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    It's actually not in the CFR's but in the USCG program approval letter for the USMMA curriculum. Kings Pointer days can count 1.5 for 1 but only if the vessel is underway. It gets more complicated and is different for deckies and engineers, but it is possible to get 1.5.
     
  12. KP Eng

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    Could you post a link to the program approval letter? I'd be surprised if a USCG letter addressed the minutia of how day are apportioned by vessel, major, and underway status.
     
  13. deepsea

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    Each academy used to have its own approval for sea time from the USCG. A few years ago a common system was implemented for all of the academies. Attached is the sea service matrix used to calculate midshipmen sea time.
     

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    Interesting that a school ship credits 1.5 . . . I always thought that time on a commercial vessel was far better training. . . .
     
  15. MMA19kid

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    It's because of time constraints, the state academies only have so many days that the kids can be on summer cruise, otherwise it becomes even more costly and time consuming and nobody ever has any summer vacation.
     
  16. MMA19kid

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    We all get 30 days for "In port watchkeeping and maintenance" for basically doing nothing. But I guess it has always been like that.
     
  17. KPEngineer

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    Do you really think the USCG gives the slightest rat's patootie about your time contrainsts or summer vacation?!?!?!?!?

    Theoretically you are spending a larger part of your day on learning/studying than the typical eight hours of watch/work. It is the same reason you get 1.5 days credit when on a 12 hour watch schedule.
     
  18. KPEngineer

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    Man ... knowing what I know now my sea years would have been vastly different with that. As an engineer you can get all the sea time you need and never go past the sea buoy.
     
  19. KP Eng

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    Check out 46 CFR 310 Part A. I think that matrix above applies to State Academies. It looks like a simplified version of the info already included in the CFR. USMMA is included under Part C, and doesn't appear to include any provision for 1.5 for 1 on a training ship. Has anyone on this board who is an alum or is currently attending KP actually gotten 1.5 for 1 for time on the KPer?
     
  20. KPEngineer

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    I was kind of thinking the same thing.

    Because the CFRs split KP from the state schools with different provisions for sea time, you can only actually write a "common" system where Part A and Part C agree. As only part A includes 1.5xday sea time, you cannot include it in a common system and by regulation cannot grant it to KPers. See my post #9 above.
     

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