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I agree with Jcleppe, sounds like your son has a lot to offer with language and travel experience. I think he is going to do well in the militiary.
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I agree with Jcleppe, sounds like your son has a lot to offer with language and travel experience. I think he is going to do well in the militiary.
TS.
Not to beat a dead horse, but I was helping my son complete his SF86 just yesterday. The question regarding foreign investments (#20A) specifically instructs to "(e)xclude U.S. based fund managers." Accordingly, it would appear that if the fund is not managed in the U.S., it should be disclosed, regardless of whether the shares are traded on a U.S. exchange. If it is a mutual fund which happens to include shares of foreign companies, but is managed in the U.S., it appears that disclosure is not even required. Note that I am referring to the nineteen page July 2008 version of the SF86, which is still authorized for granting of the standard Secret clearance required of commissioned officers in general. This is the form which was provided to my AROTC cadet son for their purposes. There is in fact a newer, much longer version of the SF86, which I assume is the form required for those personnel requiring a TS [all officers do NOT possess a TS clearance.] That form may have different requirements regarding the disclosure of investments. Hope this helps.
So, if I can deduce... if a cadet is assigned Military Intelligence in mid-November of his/her MS IV year, then would that cadet then start the TS Clearance procedure shortly thereafter?
If it takes, as I have read on this Board I think, anywhere from 9 mos. to 18 mos. to finalize a TS clearance, does this in any way impair the new 2LT, not yet through Clearance, from reporting to a Duty Station that requires TS clearance?
If the above is true, is there any way to start a TS clearance in the MSIII year, so that the Cadet is clear by the time they are commissioned?
If it takes, as I have read on this Board I think, anywhere from 9 mos. to 18 mos. to finalize a TS clearance, does this in any way impair the new 2LT, not yet through Clearance, from reporting to a Duty Station that requires TS clearance?
If the above is true, is there any way to start a TS clearance in the MSIII year, so that the Cadet is clear by the time they are commissioned?
I can only speak to how it was done many, many years ago when I was granted my TS, and which could certainly be inapplicable today. However, shortly after submitting my paperwork, I was granted an "Interim Top Secret" clearance, which allowed me access to materials and the ability to attend training which was relevant to the clearance. Several months later, after completion of the background investigation (including interviews of friends, neighbors, etc) I was granted a "Final Top Secret" clearance. It could be that there is something similar set up for young MI officers who need to begin the training pipeline; I would doubt that they wait in limbo for several months awaiting their Final TS before beginning training.
Not really sure when the TS clearance starts for cadets branched MI. My son had originally been branched MI w/ Infantry Detail, that branch was official until Dec. 8th when his request for, and Aviation Board was approved and he was switched to the Aviation Branch. At no time from the original branching to the switch in branch did he receive any paperwork to start a TS Clearance, I'm not sure when he would have started the TS.
Quite a few of the cadets branched MI will have a detail attached so there would be plenty of time to get the TS completed before going to MI BOLC. For those going straight to MI there are not a lot of billets (sorry for the wrong terms, I'm an Old Coastie, habits are hard to break) for 1st Lt's so there is usually a lag time before they are sent to BOLC, it can be months. When you add in the time to complete BOLC they should be close by the time they actually report to their first duty station.
I think you described it best.
That was the way it worked way back in the Dark Ages for me as well.
Adding in the dead time between graduation and reporting to BOLC plus the training time there should not be a long period to wait for the final TS clearance.
Just curious, you said you are helping your son with his SF86, is your son a freshman on a 3yr AD scholarship. I'm only asking because I didn't think they started the Clearance process until they were contracted. I guess that's what I get for thinking.
I do not believe he has started that clearance process yet. Since Army Aviation Flight School takes over 18 monts to complete I wonder when the process actually starts.
Yes, my son is a freshman on a 3AD scholarship. He and some other 3AD recipients were summoned to the administrative offices last week and told to begin "completing their paperwork" in anticipation of contracting at the appropriate time. They provided him with SF86, Direct Deposit form, etc. I have chosen to take this as a positive sign that the PMS is, at least for now, intending to validate his scholarship. Of course, the PMS is scheduled to rotate this summer, so hopefully his replacement will feel the same way!
Sounds like you have a very Proactive HR staff at his battalion. You and your son will come to appreciate that in the coming years, this is not the case with all battalions. My son's are blessed with a great HR staff as well. They have never been late on any payment and watch over the degree audits like a hawk making sure each cadet is on track. The fact that his HR is getting his paperwork in order early is a terrific sign and will allow him to contract on day one next Fall. His current PMS will be the one to make the recommendation since he will be eligible to Contract on or before the first day of school of his sophomore year. All of what you wrote in your post is great news for your son.
One other thing, if the HR has not already given him his 104R form make sure he gets one and meets with his advisor early before registration starts for next year. This is a great time to get all the details of the 104R form done if he hasn't already. The 104R is the one thing that seems to delay some cadets from being contracted. The earlier he gets it done the better.
[One other thing, if the HR has not already given him his 104R form make sure he gets one and meets with his advisor early before registration starts for next year. This is a great time to get all the details of the 104R form done if he hasn't already. The 104R is the one thing that seems to delay some cadets from being contracted. The earlier he gets it done the better.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the advice. As a matter of fact, he also has a freshly-minted and updated 104R, reflecting first semester grades, new anticipated class progression, etc. in hand to replace the initial 104R they completed early on. Should be good to go!
Thanks for the advice. As a matter of fact, he also has a freshly-minted and updated 104R, reflecting first semester grades, new anticipated class progression, etc. in hand to replace the initial 104R they completed early on. Should be good to go!
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Jcleppe said:
Interesting.
DS got his rated slot last March as a jr in college and his TS was completed in July. He actually started the process in late April/early May while still at school. AF UPT is 12 months, and many go casual so that might be the factor regarding when they start the process.
I find it interesting just from the fact that even as an Army Aviation Flight School student, wouldn't they need that clearance for training day one because the info at Flight school is not something they share!?!
Like I said, I love this site, you learn something new everyday!
That is the nice thing about AFROTC, they know their slots during their Junior year where AROTC does not know their branch assignments until Nov. of their senior year.
You make a great point about the clearances and the time frame for training. From talking with my son they have not found out much information at all regarding what they will need before they report, I would assume, and hope, that they will get all the information needed in plenty of time, but then again this is the Military we're talking about.
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Off topic, but are you saying he doesn't even know his training base? He is coming up on 90 days from graduation, when do they inform them of their assignment?
Nobody flame me, AF has multiple UPT bases, and I do not know if there is just one for the Army. Again before you flame, isn't that why we are here...to be informed?
Does AROTC for the rated world do casual status? Maybe that is why this issue exists. DS will do casual status at a UPT base and having the TS means the fliers won't have to throw on the light for the vaults.
Our DS has not been informed of what he needs, but again he will go casual for months, so basically it is show up!
Nobody flame me, AF has multiple UPT bases, and I do not know if there is just one for the Army. Again before you flame, isn't that why we are here...to be informed?
Does AROTC for the rated world do casual status? Maybe that is why this issue exists. DS will do casual status at a UPT base and having the TS means the fliers won't have to throw on the light for the vaults.
Our DS has not been informed of what he needs, but again he will go casual for months, so basically it is show up!
All good questions, your right, while I know nothing about the AF program, it's always fun and informative to hear how it works.
The Army has only one place for Aviation Training, Ft. Rucker Alabama. He knows that he will be going there. What he doesn't know yet is when.
There are several different options for cadets after graduation which include:
1. Some may choose to apply to work at LDAC over the summer assisting in the training while they wait to report to training.
2. Some take the summer off and apply to be a Gold Bar Recruiter, This is where they go to, usually the school they graduated from, and work in the battalion until they reprt for training.
3. Some will just take the time off and wait to report on the day they are ordered.
4. Some will go to the base they will do their training early and be placed on casual status, how early will depend on the Army.
A lot depends on what the Army wants and needs, it seems a bit miwed up sometimes. I have read stories of graduates waiting up to 9 months to report for training, which for some with families can be quite a hardship financially.
A lot of cadets that commissioned in December still have not been given their report dates.
This is something every cadet in their MS4 year needs to be aware of so they can try and make back up plans if their report dates are far off.
I hope some of that made sense, I was beginning to confuse myself.
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I agree Pima. NROTC is same as AFROTC where you might need to find a job for some number of months... and keep yourself fit while doing so. I imagine its hard to get someone to hire you when they know you'll be leaving so soon, but there is that thing called 'honor' and 'integrety' which demands you tell them.
Not every cadet will get the opportunity to work at LDAC or be a Gold Bar Recruiter, most will be in the same boat as the AF and Navy and will have to find a job while they wait to report.
Word has it that they will find out sometime this month or early March, of course the Army has not been on time with most things up to now so who knows.
The CULP applicants were supposed to hear on Dec. 15th, it was stated in the application. Son heard on Jan. 8th. The OML was at least 2 to 3 weeks late and the branching assignments were late as well. The MS4's seem to roll with it because they have got used to the delays over the years. Hurry up and wait.
Your right though, it is frustrating for they cadets not knowing how to plan their time. Son has decided if there is a lag time before he reports to Rucker he wants to take the time off, because of his standing he could get LDAC or probably Gold Bar but has decided to come home and work for good old dad until he leaves.
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I have to ask how will you deal with health insurance?
DS even in college will be dropped from our dental plan by the end of Feb.
This was a huge fear for Bullet and I, luckily since he will report within days of graduation it will not be an issue. He graduates the 21st, must report AD the 30th.
Our insurance, states up to 23, registered in college. Graduating would take him off our insurance while he waited to go AD.
Are you concerned about health insurance?
I am only pursuing this conversation so parents of candidates/cadets/mids understand when you graduate you have a degree, you have a job, but you may not start that job for months.
Bullet graduated AFROTC in May 87. He was not AD until March 88. No health insurance, no pay check, nothing.
DS even in college will be dropped from our dental plan by the end of Feb.
This was a huge fear for Bullet and I, luckily since he will report within days of graduation it will not be an issue. He graduates the 21st, must report AD the 30th.
Our insurance, states up to 23, registered in college. Graduating would take him off our insurance while he waited to go AD.
Are you concerned about health insurance?
I am only pursuing this conversation so parents of candidates/cadets/mids understand when you graduate you have a degree, you have a job, but you may not start that job for months.
Bullet graduated AFROTC in May 87. He was not AD until March 88. No health insurance, no pay check, nothing.