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Pima · Dec 11, 2007

EG

ED means early decision, the results come out in FEB. It is not the same as EA. EA was due back in OCT/NOV. EA= early action. This is where you promise if they accept you, you will go there. Many people had to apply ED to be eligible for financial aid. UMD, UMiami and NYU required Part I common apps to be completed back in Nov. UMD required part II for Dec.1. if you wanted an answer by Feb and qual for selective schools, scholarships, etc. Now you need to go back and see if it is ED or EA. You owe no oblig for ED

Just_A_Mom · Dec 11, 2007

With regards to your nomination, I am at liberty only to tell you that Presidential nominations are still be handed out. Nominations from ****** will likely be sent out in a few weeks. Sorry, wish I could tell you more.

-Patterson

Who is this from? MOC? very confusing.

Pima · Dec 11, 2007

My bad on prev. info, UMD and NYU call ED as non-binding like I said in the earlier post, UMiami call it EA as non-binding and ED as binding.

Thunderbolt · Dec 11, 2007

It wasn't the MOC. It was some business guy who was called in to take care of the West Point side of the applicants. They had some local constituents in their district come together to decide who was eligible. I think thats what they did.

I checked. It is ED II, binding. Is it a widespread practice to make financial aid eligibility based on ED?

Just_A_Mom · Dec 11, 2007

Did you apply for and receive a presidential nomination?

Pima · Dec 11, 2007

Couldn't answer that, we did not do any binding apps. We only did non-binding, but for all of his schools the common app part II had to be finished by certain dates for financial aid

Pima · Dec 11, 2007

It is also common for MOC's to have a committee of people from within the community

Just_A_Mom · Dec 11, 2007

Is it a widespread practice to make financial aid eligibility based on ED?

yes.

momoftwins · Dec 11, 2007

EG,

If you apply to any civilian schools with any kind of binding agreement, - no matter what it is called - you will be required to accept the admission if it is offered. You will be required to withdraw all other applications immediately. That would mean you could not attend West Point.

The school knows that you understand that financial aid is not automatic therefore it should not be an issue. You and your family will be required to pay the tuition for you to attend the ED/EA/ school. This is part of the reason binding ED/EA programs are slowly being dropped. They work for students who know that they can pay the tuition, no matter what.

It's a big deal - don't take the binding agreements lightly.

Soylent · Dec 11, 2007

Pima said:
EG

ED means early decision, the results come out in FEB. It is not the same as EA. EA was due back in OCT/NOV. EA= early action. This is where you promise if they accept you, you will go there. Many people had to apply ED to be eligible for financial aid. UMD, UMiami and NYU required Part I common apps to be completed back in Nov. UMD required part II for Dec.1. if you wanted an answer by Feb and qual for selective schools, scholarships, etc. Now you need to go back and see if it is ED or EA. You owe no oblig for ED

I believe you have your terminology backwards. Early Decision is a binding contract that you sign, agreeing that if you are accepted (usually Mid-December) you will go to that school. Early Action is where you are not obligated to go to that school.

Early Decision II requires the same obligation as regular Early Decision, but the deadline is later (rather than Oct-Nov).

kgrmom · Dec 11, 2007

Exar Ganis said:
I checked. It is ED II, binding. Is it a widespread practice to make financial aid eligibility based on ED?

Always good to look at the "fine print". In my D's case it was an actual scholarship that hinged on the ED application. Not sure about any other financial aid. How far the colleges are willing to go to enforce these binding agreements I'm not sure... anyone else know? I know in one admission seminar we were at the admission counselor joked about there not actually being any "Early Decision Police Depts" out there

Thunderbolt · Dec 12, 2007

You and your family will be required to pay the tuition for you to attend the ED/EA/ school.

According to the contract, it says if you do not have the money, you may break the agreement. Anyway, is there a way they can enforce ED? I don't see anything that requires you to go by law. It DOES say that you will break the spirit of ED, but thats about it.

THURL · Dec 12, 2007

Exar Ganis said:
According to the contract, it says if you do not have the money, you may break the agreement. Anyway, is there a way they can enforce ED? I don't see anything that requires you to go by law. It DOES say that you will break the spirit of ED, but thats about it.

I read into it that your breaking your commitment. Why not just apply RD as previously suggested. That way you can hold to the principles JORTC has taught you.

subskipper · Dec 12, 2007

If you have a nomination from another source, such as a Presidential nomination, the USNA will still want you to apply for a nomination from a MOC. If you can get one, they can use the Presidential nomination for somebody else. It's another way they can shape the composition of the incoming class. If they really want you they'll be super happy if you can score a nomination from a MOC.

:smile:

Thunderbolt · Dec 12, 2007

One reason why ED is a disaster:

ARMY ROTC is more likely going to give a scholarship to an ED applicant because they know that they will have that individual secure for their quota. ED is harmful and should be abolished

I applied RD. Made up my mind. If I don't get in anywhere, I'll just be screwed :biggrin:

momoftwins · Dec 12, 2007

Exar Ganis said:
One reason why ED is a disaster:

ARMY ROTC is more likely going to give a scholarship to an ED applicant because they know that they will have that individual secure for their quota. ED is harmful and should be abolished

ED is just an option that some students may choose because it's the best one for them. Abolishing it would take that option away. It also is a tool that helps schools see students who are passionately committed to attending one particular college.

Soylent · Dec 12, 2007

Apply to a cheap safety school so that you can go to if all else fails. If cost is an issue then your situation living overseas is a bit of a downfall. It may be difficult to get in-state tuition, but it is definitely worth it to apply to a decent state school that you KNOW you can get into and get that cheap tuition.

As far as breaking an ED commitment, I am not sure how that is tracked or if it is tracked at all, but I have heard that it will be quite difficult getting into any law school with that on your record. ED is a great opportunity for kids who have been dreaming to go to a certain school for years (like the service academies for us).

Just_A_Mom · Dec 12, 2007

Exar Ganis said:
One of the schools I was thinking about doing ED to has only 14 4 year army ROTC scholarships, and the PMS told me there were 118 applicants. He also said by applying ED it would probably boost your chances in getting one of these.

Back to post #18 --- I don't see how applying will boost your chance at getting one of the 14 4 year AROTC scholarship. The PMS is free to offer you the scholarship - even before you apply.
My daughter was offered her scholarship before she applied - of course it was contingent on her being accepted.

There is no reason to apply ED to get a scholarship. Now if you didn't get accepted that might be a problem.......

Pima · Dec 12, 2007

ED has been around for decades. There are students who have their dream college, and want to know quickly. Why go through all of the hassles of applying to 5, 6 or even 10 if you get an ans from your dream college before the others are even due.

If you had all of your paperwork with a nom into the acad, and was considered compet. by Oct/Nov you would have an answer right now. So would anyone go and do another 9 apps, doubtful, 2 more just in case of injuries for backup probably!

usna1985 · Dec 12, 2007

If you had all of your paperwork with a nom into the acad, and was considered compet. by Oct/Nov you would have an answer right now.

Not necessarily. First, the admissions boards review records on a rolling basis and, if the packet was submitted in Novermber, may not have "rolled around" to it yet. Also, sometimes, the admissions board can't decide whether a candidate is academically qualified and "defers" that candidate for further consideration. The decision may be helped by seeing more candidate packets (to have a greater basis for comparison) and/or seeing new SAT scores, first semester grades, new CFA scores, etc.

And, with just a Presidential nom at this point (which, as of right now, is all most people have as the MOC noms are generally just being announced), the SAs aren't likely to give you an appointment this early absent an LOA. Not sure how many of these USMA or USAFA hands out, but USNA gives very few.

So would anyone go and do another 9 apps, doubtful, 2 more just in case of injuries for backup probably!

Yes, for many reasons. Some people may not be totally sure they want to attend a SA (in all honesty, I wasn't at this point in my senior year). They may not know which civilian school they are most interested in. It's a very competitive landscape and people may want to try for a couple of "reach" schools, a couple of "safety" schools and a handful in the middle. It can add up. These days, very few competitive colleges and universities are "sure things" for anyone.