Senior Quarterback Dismissed from USNA

Luigi59 said:
They have one job at the academy--winning football games.
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I don't have a link to Coach Niumatalolo's contract, but you might find it interesting how many things other than "WIN!" are included in the contracts of Army Head Coach Ellerson and Air Force Head Coach Calhoun.

http://www.coacheshotseat.com/CHSArmy.pdf (paragraph 3.02 -- beginning on page 2 of the pdf)

http://www.coacheshotseat.com/CHSAirForce.pdf (Appendix A -- page 6 of the pdf)

( side note: Calhoun's pension plan is amazing )
 
DHinNH said:
I don't have a link to Coach Niumatalolo's contract, but you might find it interesting how many things other than "WIN!" are included in the contracts of Army Head Coach Ellerson and Air Force Head Coach Calhoun.

http://www.coacheshotseat.com/CHSArmy.pdf (paragraph 3.02 -- beginning on page 2 of the pdf)

http://www.coacheshotseat.com/CHSAirForce.pdf (Appendix A -- page 6 of the pdf)

( side note: Calhoun's pension plan is amazing )
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Believe what you wish, but I can guarantee you that if they did EVERYTHING else on your list and lost every game, they would be fired.

They are there for no reason other than to win football games.
 
I live in Pueblo West, CO. about 45 minutes south of the academy. All of our local news is generated from Colorado Springs stations. I recall some years back ( I cannot find the news story) where after 2-3 pretty successful seasons coach Calhoun was offered a substantial raise for performance and as an incentive to stay at the academy. He declined the raise and instead asked that it be distributed amongst his assistants. He has always been a solid person from what I can see. His pension may be high but he is forgoing a lot of money now. I know that his name is mentioned anytime a major college opening comes available. When the Denver Broncos had the opening before they hired Fox Calhoun's name was heavily in the mix.
 
sheriff,

As ironic as it may be, yesterday the daily mail had on their home page this issue of salary for FB coaches at SAs this past yr.

I placed the link and the salaries back on page 3.

Here is something in the body re: Calhoun.
Calhoun, on the other hand, gets a bonus equal to 5 percent of his annual salary (about $44,000) every time his team wins. Winning the national championship would earn Calhoun a whopping $264,000, Calhoun's contract says.
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He makes considerably less than Niumatalolo, Niumatalolo earns $1.6 million.
Calhoun earns a flat rate of 882,000. @ 1/2 of the avg Div I coach. Army coach is the lowest at 600k.

Caveat: It does not say if Niumatalolo gets a bonus too. If he doesn't than his salary would be equivalent to Calhoun. If he does, than it opens up the question.
 
Luigi59 said:
Believe what you wish, but I can guarantee you that if they did EVERYTHING else on your list and lost every game, they would be fired.
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Never said that they wouldn't be fired if they lost every game. However, you'll note that they don't WIN every game. If the only thing they have to do is win, but they don't win every game, then shouldn't they be fired as soon as they lose a game?

They ARE measured on things other than the W-L record of the team.
 
Maplerock said:
"lowering their standards to recruit 5-star athletic talent"





5 star talent? What team have you been watching?:confused:
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You beat me to it Maplerock. I "WISH" we had a 5-star athlete. I don't know if we've EVER seen a 5-Star athlete come to air force, let alone any of the academies. The only thing the academy has going for it when it comes to recruiting athletes, is that they DON'T actually offer "Athletic Scholarships". This allows them to start the freshman year with 50-60 football players and try and keep the best of them all. Narrowing the freshman players down to about 28 by spring training. Then reducing it again by sophomore year. Come senior year, there are usually much less than 20 football players on the team.

And this goes back to earlier arguments and comments, where the MAJORITY of "recruited" athletes at the academy aren't the lower GPA, lower standards, applicant. A normal university would give out approximately 20-25 scholarships in a givin year for football. The academy will allow 50-60 to be "Blue Chip" (For lack of a better word). But the vast majority of these individuals got to the academy 100% on their own merit; competing against all other applicants in their district/state/nationally; and were at or above the class averages for standards.
 
Pima, it might not surprise you to know that that excerpt about the 5% for every win isn't correct. Check the link to the pdf I posted.
 
sheriff3 said:
I live in Pueblo West, CO. about 45 minutes south of the academy. All of our local news is generated from Colorado Springs stations. I recall some years back ( I cannot find the news story) where after 2-3 pretty successful seasons coach Calhoun was offered a substantial raise for performance and as an incentive to stay at the academy. He declined the raise and instead asked that it be distributed amongst his assistants. He has always been a solid person from what I can see. His pension may be high but he is forgoing a lot of money now. I know that his name is mentioned anytime a major college opening comes available. When the Denver Broncos had the opening before they hired Fox Calhoun's name was heavily in the mix.
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Sherrif; to add to your comment. Many people don't know it, but prior to being the head coach at air force, Calhoun was the Offensive coordinator for the Houston Texans. Prior to that, he was the assistant coach for the Denver Broncos. I know Coach Calhoun. Better than most; not as well as many. Point is: Money is NOT his motivating factor for coaching at Air Force. It's not his motivating factor for coaching at all. And while I will not bet my paycheck that he's never given special treatment to a star player on the team; I've seen first hand where he's benched starting players because of their grades or some other infraction. Even when the grades were acceptable per NCAA standards; air force academy standards are higher. So while he might not be a saint; he definitely understands his players are "Cadets First", "Future Officers Second", and "Football Players Third".
 
DHinNH said:
They ARE measured on things other than the W-L record of the team.
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Agreed. Under that assumption shouldn't USNA place him on the hot seat for 4 players involved in this incident. 1 has been dismissed, and the other 3 are now facing an Article 32 as O1s?

No offense, But I keep getting the feeling you are implying that he had no clue whatsoever as a coach.
 
Pima said:
Agreed. Under that assumption shouldn't USNA place him on the hot seat for 4 players involved in this incident. 1 has been dismissed, and the other 3 are now facing an Article 32 as O1s?

No offense, But I keep getting the feeling you are implying that he had no clue whatsoever as a coach.
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That is not what I am trying to imply.

But,

(1) we don't know what he knew

(2) suppose the accused were all chemistry majors - would you recommend that the head of the chemistry department be sanctioned (before you knew what the professor knew?)

Why are you lumping the alleged assault in with the honor violation? And none of them are O-1s.
 
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Sheriff, he did get a raise. Maybe he asked for it to be smaller because he wanted to share with his staff, but news reports of his contract extension did mention a raise.

(Which, in and of itself, doesn't mean he's motivated by money any more or less than anyone else)
 
Are you really trying to compare a Chem Prof with a FB coach regarding time they spend with each mid? FB is not just the fall, it is yr round, including off season training.

A Chem major adviser meets them how often? Even if it is 1x a week for an hour it is not the same as a coach that trains them every day for several hrs.

I love the fact that you are all over me.

Can you just say what I believe:
We agree to disagree.
You believe in the program and the current coach, I respect that fact.

I am with Luigi and other posters, USNA appears to be placing the FB program as a priority.

I am out. You want to defend, that is fine. I have said my peace.
 
I believe in facts. Facts like the alleged assault and the honor violation are separate things.

If it is proven that the coach knew of and covered up a crime or a violation of regulations, then he should be punished. I have not read even a hint of that in the press, even from the outspoken attorney for the alleged victim.

If it is proven that he knew or covered up an honor violation, the same applies.
 
A CO sleeping in his stateroom on the ship may have no idea that his butterbar just ran aground. You can be sure, he would be held accountable.
 
$1.5 million? Do the taxpayers of this country really pay a football coach 4 times more than the President of the United States?
 
Bill1899 said:
$1.5 million? Do the taxpayers of this country really pay a football coach 4 times more than the President of the United States?
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The taxpayers of this country do not pay the football coach anything. His salary comes entirely from athletic department revenues, there is a link earlier in the thread that explains it.
 
^^^^

The salary of the football coach is paid for with private funds.
 
A CO sleeping in his stateroom on the ship may have no idea that his butterbar just ran aground. You can be sure, he would be held accountable.
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And the Company Officer is directly responsible for the MIDN in their company. That is EXACTLY why the chain of command should be MORE accountable than Coach N, barring that he didn't cover anything up. I haven't seen any evidence or facts that implicate Coach N -- just assumptions.
 
usnabgo08 said:
And the Company Officer is directly responsible for the MIDN in their company. That is EXACTLY why the chain of command should be MORE accountable than Coach N, barring that he didn't cover anything up. I haven't seen any evidence or facts that implicate Coach N -- just assumptions.
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And as I've said, I'm very fine holding those company officers accountable.

You've been there.... who know's more about the individual, the coach or the company officer? Who is the player more likely to ask for a recommendation?
 
usnabgo08 said:
That is EXACTLY why the chain of command should be MORE accountable than Coach N, barring that he didn't cover anything up. .
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What then should a football coach be held accountable for, other than winning football games?
 
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