Separation During Beast

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  1. Jwmiller6

    Jwmiller6 Member

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    Hello everyone,

    Is it possible to be separated during Beast? If so, how? I'm not concerned at all, just curious.

    Thank you!
     
  2. BigBear

    BigBear Class of 2015

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    Injury, psych case, and probably if you get caught stealing something.

    My advice: don't worry about getting kicked out or trying to figure out what you can get away with. Just do your best, do the right thing, and you'll be fine.
     
  3. mmb5

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    One cadet we know lost a roommate who flunked Land Nav twice and could not do a single pushup on R-Day; was separated.
     
  4. buff81

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    Wonder how he passed the CFA.
     
  5. BigNick

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    A valid push-up and sit-up is in the eye of the beholder. Hundreds of different people across the country give the CFA qualification test. The standards vary for sure. Even at WP and in the Army, standards vary with the grader.

    At the end of my son's Plebe year (Class of 2015), he and his roommate went to airborne school. My son easily passed his Airborne PT test and got his wings but his roommate - who had passed the CFA and every PT test given at West Point - failed the push-ups on day 1 and was sent back to WP.

    The lesson is - do the push-ups and sit-ups EXACTLY as required and then you do not have to worry about getting an "airborne" grader.
     
  6. jbsail

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    Great advice.
     
  7. scoutpilot

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    When I was cadre we had a kid like that. As they started to look at separating him, he decided to quit and admitted that he never took the CFA. He forged his coach's signature.
     
  8. kinnem

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    WOW!
     
  9. hawk

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    Don't know what the policies are for R-day, but not passing the APFT during CBT is not normally grounds for separation as I understand it. There are very specific policies around this. (white book?) I know it takes multiple fails during the AY.

    DS and friends has had to help company & teammates with this on multiple occasions, even as a plebe. Some of them are regulars... just skirting disaster, then getting back in bad standing. The one exception was his plebe assigned as team leader, he went from failing in CBT to a B on his retake. His main issue was learning how to pace himself on the run.

    The unfortunate thing is that many of the cadets DS helps were recruited for various reasons, and most likely would not have made it in otherwise just based on CFA alone. IE: they did not just fall out of shape. So this is not pleasant duty for cadets that got in without a hook.

    Decent kids most, but some are living daddy's dream and not theirs! There are a very few he helps that are challenged by body shape but otherwise are totally squared away and fight very hard to improve and not drag the company/team down.

    What I tell candidates who ask what the cutoff is on the CFA is that they don't want to go there.... the only thing worse than not getting in due to CFA is to get in and not be able to cope with the physical aspect of CBT, APFT, and later training.
     

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