Sequester and USNA

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  1. 2017usna

    2017usna USNA C/O 2017

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    Hello everyone I am a 2017 USNA appointee and I just wanted to see if anyone knows anything about the cuts that may be coming for USNA Mids. I have heard that NROTC Mids are no longer having summer training and I wanted to know if this was true for USNA also. I figured that the cuts would impact USNA in a different way than NROTC just because USNA Mids seem to do more over the summer that NROTC. I am not trying to say that USNA is any better, just different. If anyone has any knowledge on what is coming it would be appreciated.
     
  2. Pima

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    This was poster on another thread.

     
  3. kinnem

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    And a set of slides I saw on another thread confirmed the summer training cancellation. It said something to the effect of cancelling training for Midshipmen. There was no distinction, as neither NROTC or USNA was mentioned in this bullet... so I took it to mean for ALL Midshipmen.
     
  4. lukepeoples

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    My major concern is as someone seeing the sequester hit his command extra hard (possible shut down of clinics and only taking emergency situations) I'm worried that the class may be made smaller or they may not take as many enlisted.
     
  5. Whistle Pig

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    My view is it will be much ado of very little.
     
  6. LineInTheSand

    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    Then I'm guessing you haven't talked to the finance folks of an organization affected....

    or contractors....
     
  7. Whistle Pig

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    Nope, but I can and do read, watch, and listen.

    My vote's in. Much ado about little. Like spittin' into a hurricane, peeing off the Golden Gate. Might mess your shorts but they'll dry. PR spin is bustin' hump to persuade us the sky is falling. Sure hope not.

    So what say you?
     
  8. LineInTheSand

    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    I think peeing off a bridge can get you in bigger trouble than wet shorts.

    I do think cuts will impact real people. I don't think the world will fall apart, although I'll plan for grumpy people on the metro on my way in to work.

    If my wife is furloughed, that's basically like having half a paycheck cut every other paycheck. Will we survive? Absolutely. But we're saving for a house, so I'd love to see 100% of each paycheck.

    Organizations, I know, will be impacted. How long and to what extent, I have no idea.

    I agree that a great deal is PR posturing (come on, PR folks can smell it a mile away), but some of it is also real. A lot of what you're hearing are agencies and programs screaming to save something.

    I do think the cuts will come, they will affect 2013, and it will trickled down. I do not know to what extent and how long.
     
  9. subvet

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    inclined to agree with you on this WP.
     
  10. Whistle Pig

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    The cuts, even when they come are a figurative drop in the ocean.

    What Line In the Sand is referring to is politics. BO using the military to call for even more taxation. So it's not the $$, it's the direction and pain that is fully intentional that people and perhaps even Republicans will cry "uncle" because they cannot stand the screaming lambs as their next elections approach. Slimy stuff.

    But if we cannot skim 2.4% of a gazillion $$ annual budget, none of this will matter. We're all toast, with the Hampton Roads shipyard just showing the rest of us "the way."
     
  11. AF6872

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    Agree with WP. On board don't Pi** into the wind. If you have a $100 dollar per month budget and for some reason you have to save $2.50 a month might you find it?
     
  12. suddensam

    suddensam USNA BGO

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    I think that the sequester effects are also somewhat overblown, but I did read that the law was written such that you can't just "find" the savings anywhere. It is quite specific -- every program and sub-program is to share equally in the cuts, unless specifically exempted by law. On NPR this morning, they put it in terms of a household budget. You may think, well, if I need to save $25 each month, I'll just drop HBO and Showtime and I'm done. Not so with the sequester. You would have to cut a little from your cable bill, but also your cell phone bill, your mortgage, your grocery bill and so on. Congress didn't provide the flexibility to cut deeply in one area and spare another.

    I think that finding the level of cuts they are seeking should be possible, but the way that the law requires it to be accomplished is fairly indiscriminate.

    How will this affect the Naval Academy? I have no idea.
     
  13. vadad

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    Whistle Pig - I agree and think you are right with your summation. All of us in the working world just had 2% extra taken from our pay checks again starting in January (it was really added back since it had been temporarialy suspended) and the world did not end. We are not talking about a lot more from the Federal Government - 2.4%. The sun will still rise.
     
  14. LineInTheSand

    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    Ah, 2%. My wife and I moved from VA to MD. To make things worse, we moved to Montgomery County. Instead of the nice 2% dip in pay, it was closer to 8-10%. That's the 2% plus higher state tax plus an annoyingly high county tax.

    Did we feel that tax increase? HOOOOO yeah we did. It was enough that, as we considered settling down, did we really want to buy a house and lose that much? No.

    $85,000,000,000 is a drop in the $16,000,000,000,000+ bucket. I 100% agree with that. Entitlement spending is the big monster in 20 years that will kill us.

    BUT, I also think a 7-9% cut or "spending limit" WILL be felt at an organzational level. Either training or travel or something else will be cut. That's important for professionals who need continuing education for their licenses, or development. But it is also an easy cut.

    There are areas we don't even think about. I like burgers, specifically cheeseburgers. Burgers (generally) are slaughtered cows. Every slaughter (cow, pig, chickens etc) require a USDA representative to be on site, watching. Those programs are subject to the same cuts. Less represetative times = less slaughters. Less meat readily available on the market = higher prices.

    Or, an agency has a report it's required to complete and distribute (transparency). It has to cut across the board, and asks for a 10% cut in costs for the publication. The agency goes to the private sector printer, tells them to cut costs.

    Let's say they cut $10,000 in costs. Not bad. Now that printer has how many contracts with federal employers? How many times will he have to cut costs for other agencies? Suggendly it's not $10,000.... for him it's $1,000,000. Yes, it's tax payer money, but here's a taxpaying private sector member, who owns a business, and he's getting hit.

    I'm not defending contracts. I'm not saying cuts shouldn't happen. And I'm not saying this isn't the only way that Congress will actually act. I am saying we can forget that this is a "drop in the bucket" for the agencies affected (but it is when considering U.S. federal spending overall).
     
  15. chiromed0

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    Our DS said pilot slots are getting cut and some of their summer cruises are too.
     
  16. Losttime

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    Our Government does need to drastically reduce military spending by a couple hundred of billions of dollars. I'm also sure that cuts can be made all across the charts. But. Our current military budget is around $603b. That is higher than when we were in the Cold War. $580b vs. USSR $560b. Today, we are not at war. Yet our budget is higher than our previous wartime budget like the Cold War. Today, our competitor, China has a military budget of $111b. They are the country that ranks #2 in miltary spending, behind us. Why are we spending so much money on defense when our competitors are not? We are not even at war!

    Further more, entitlement programs need a much more secure plan. They are going to screw us years from now. Earmarks and pork barrel spending also racks up a bunch of money. I hope this sequestration takes place. Our Government needs to wake up. There is no reason for this deficit and over inflated budget.
     
  17. kinnem

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    I'm sorry. Were not at war? I'm sure this will come as a surprise to our boys in Afghanistan. And maybe even the guys we just sent to Nigeria.

    However, I agree we need to reduce this deficit and get our long term spending under control and the military needs to take a hit along with everything else.
     
  18. Losttime

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    We are not at war... We are technically dealing with "conflicts."
     
  19. BisonSoccer

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    Hope this gets fixed
     
  20. kinnem

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    Right. And we weren't at war in Korea (police action) or Viet Nam (just a mere resolution) either. Maybe it's just me, but if our troops are getting shot at on a regular basis and wounded are coming home, then we're at war. Winding down perhaps... but... we're getting off topic so I'll cease and desist.
     

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