Serve concurrently?

As a tax payer it should annoy people. $250,000 (or is it something like $350,000) education paid for.... and then the guy or gal gets an "out?" I get that reserve time is "serving" but come on, let's not pretend that it's worth the $350,000 or so spent on the individual.... or that there's any great recruiting incentive there.
 
In Kelsey's case, her season is very short so the plan is that she'd play one season ( believe I read that it works be four months) and then go on to serve. We shall see.
 
I think it rubs a number of people the wrong way. As far as I can tell, USNA and Navy seem to be the only ones in recent history to do this (I could be wrong?)

Trent Steelman (USMA13) continues to be a tremendous waste of taxpayer money. He was just hired as a wide receivers coach at (non Div-I) Jacksonville University. Hired in by fallen Army coach Ellerson, who is now their defensive coordinator. I still can't figure out if Steelman is just smarter than everyone else; I am absolutely mystified how he got out of his commitment entirely. I hope he and Ellerson are enjoying the Florida sunshine.
 
I'm just waiting for all these sports reporters to stop falling all over themselves to thank Reynolds for his "service."

Steelman is an embarrassment in every sense.
 
the Navy will capitalize on the country's love of sports and a good story to advance and burnish its brand, as a marketing strategy they are willing to pay for with trading active duty for Reserve duty. These cases are carefully scrutinized internally, in terms of precedent and exceptional nature.

I suppose this (Navy Strategy) is a result of dumbing down of our society in general, add on personal bias, group think etc. After all, who's the soon to be Republican presidential nominee?

I am dumb and no marketing expert, but I can't figure out what or how the Navy will be marketing through Reynolds?

Perhaps recruit good football players to Naval Academy - so Navy football game gets more national TV time, and teenagers seeing the Navy Football game will somehow aspire to join the Navy.

As for Reynolds reserve duties, it's joke. For any folks out there with reserve experience, how productive is unqualified service member that misses 5 to 6 months of drill (I think it's safe to assume if Reynolds makes it, he won't be participating in unit activities during the NFL season)
 
"The Navy Reserve...America's 17th line of defense, between the Mississippi National Guard and the League of Women Voters." -The Simpsons
 
Eligibility Requirements:

Grade: O-5/O-6
  1. Designator: 1050X
  2. Clearance: Secret
  3. NOBC/AQD: N/A
Billet Summary:

Title: EF3 SENIOR ADVISOR
  1. Location: AFGHANISTAN
  2. NOSC Report Date: 9/3/2016
  3. Duration: 330 Days Boots-on-Ground
  4. Type of Orders: Involuntary
  5. Remarks: The mission of the Essential Function 3 (EF3) Rule of Law (ROL) is to train, advise and assist the Afghan National Security Force to respect the rule of law and to operate in accordance with Afghanistan's constitution, domestic laws and international obligations. Coordinates and manages the ROL staff and advisors. Promotes horizontal and vertical coordination within HQ RS on behalf of the ROL. Directs, coordinates, and acts as the focal point for the ROL directorate in communication with the DCOS SA staff. Synchronizes the output of all RoL products.
Application Deadline: 4/3/2016 - selection may occur prior to the deadline.

I get the above type of individual mobilization notifications in my inbox every week from Navy Reserve Forces Command. These type of comments are misleading and insulting to the 75,000 plus Navy Reserve sailors who have been mobilized for OIF/OEF/GWOT/OCO operations since 9/11. Included in this group are Navy Reserve Corpsman, Fleet Surgeons, Nurses and Chaplains assigned to deployed Fleet Marine Force units, Reserve SEAL teams, HH-60 helicopter squadrons assigned to JSOC, EA-6B squadrons assigned to JIED missions, Mobile Construction Battalions (SeaBee's), EOD teams, Intelligence support, MA's as prison guards and on and on. Most of these sailors, E-8 and below and O-5 and below have had multiple mobilizations.
 
. . . .These type of comments are misleading and insulting to the 75,000 plus Navy Reserve sailors who have been mobilized for OIF/OEF/GWOT/OCO operations since 9/11. Included in this group are Navy Reserve Corpsman, Fleet Surgeons, Nurses and Chaplains assigned to deployed Fleet Marine Force units, Reserve SEAL teams, HH-60 helicopter squadrons assigned to JSOC, EA-6B squadrons assigned to JIED missions, Mobile Construction Battalions (SeaBee's), EOD teams, Intelligence support, MA's as prison guards and on and on. Most of these sailors, E-8 and below and O-5 and below have had multiple mobilizations.

No disagreement from me, but not all Navy Reserve sailors are equal. I am pretty sure Navy Reserve is similar to National Guard where there are many Navy Reserve sailors that mobilized multiple times vs. some that have not. I have no problem acknowledging accomplishment and sacrifices made by Reserve Component members, but those acknowledgements have to be earned based on actual service, not membership alone.

Only time will tell, if Reynolds makes the cut I doubt he will be volunteering for a mobilization.

This is not a personal attack on Reynolds as he seems like a good kid, but how would he answer what's like to be in the Navy if he is performing recruiting duty?
 
"The Navy Reserve...America's 17th line of defense, between the Mississippi National Guard and the League of Women Voters." -The Simpsons

What a shock, an inflammatory and useless comment from scoutpilot. You obviously have no clue about the contributions of today's Navy Reserve. Do you also rag on the Army Guard and Reserve?
 
Agree with you to a point, but membership (I am assuming you mean Inactive Ready Reserve (IRR)?) is different from one who is a Selected Reservist (SELRES) and is being paid to drill and required to perform Annual Training (AT).

No doubt there are some who work the system with medical issues, exceptional family members, family care plan problems or "critical" employee status, but those folks are usually identified and administratively separated. And usually these things only pop up, AFTER, they have been ordered to mobilize, and in most cases the mobilization goes forward as planned and their status as a SELRES is re-evaluated AFTER they return from the mobilization. That being said, I can tell you from experience, after calling dozens of my reserve sailors and breaking the news to them that they were being mobilized, the only comments I ever received were these: "Where am I going, what is the billet and when do I leave?"

Mobilization is a crap shoot based on many things, with the most obvious one being the billet requirements of the Combatant Commander. One can be a Machinist Mate (MM) and never get the call because there is no need for that skill, yet a Master-at-Arms (MA) gets mobilized again as soon as his "dwell" time ends from their previous mobilization. Many billets are junior and once one promotes in rank, their mobilization chances get reduced dramatically. Plenty of Vietnam Era personnel were sent to Germany to face the Soviet menace vice going in country yet I would never question their service or dedication to their country...the same can be said of Navy Reservists or National Guard members who faithfully and honorably meet their drill and AT requirements but never get the call to go forward.
 
Agree with you to a point, but membership (I am assuming you mean Inactive Ready Reserve (IRR)?) is different from one who is a Selected Reservist (SELRES) and is being paid to drill and required to perform Annual Training (AT).

No. I know the difference. Unless you are fortunate and your unit is 100% fully dedicated sailors, from my experience there are Reserve Component members that join and serve mostly for financial benefits and when told about mobilization instead of "Where am I going, what is the billet and when do I leave?" vs "I can't go."

I am pretty sure you agree that the not all Reserve Components members are fully dedicated. My point is we should make individual determination.
 
No. I know the difference. Unless you are fortunate and your unit is 100% fully dedicated sailors, from my experience there are Reserve Component members that join and serve mostly for financial benefits and when told about mobilization instead of "Where am I going, what is the billet and when do I leave?" vs "I can't go."

I am pretty sure you agree that the not all Reserve Components members are fully dedicated. My point is we should make individual determination.
I guess I was fortunate during my post 9/11 reserve time, because I only had one "I can't go." and as I said, those folks are administratively separated...And yes I agree, not all are fully dedicated as not all Active Duty are either...
 
What a shock, an inflammatory and useless comment from scoutpilot. You obviously have no clue about the contributions of today's Navy Reserve. Do you also rag on the Army Guard and Reserve?

He does, but we should take his comment for what it is - different attempt at humor. He is quoting the Simpsons.
 
He does, but we should take his comment for what it is - different attempt at humor. He is quoting the Simpsons.

Did you also read his swipe at "service" as a reservist? It's more the than humor to him. I happen to think Reynolds should serve at least some of his commitment initially on active duty. David Robinson did. Napoleon McCallum did, Chad Hennings (USAFA) did. It is no secret to recruited service academy football players that they will incur a service obligation. I think letting Reynolds go directly into the reserves sets a bad precedent. And USNA and the USN hardly needs his help as a recruiter these days.

That being said, scoutpilot does a disservice to reservists. Sure there are many that are just doing time to get a retirement, but plenty of contribution from all services non-active duty components since 9/11. At one point 40% of the boots on the ground in Iraq/Afghanistan were guard and reserve. There are two reserve SEAL teams that have had many members mobilized (and killed) to service in combat operations. Much of the USN flight instruction, adversary and logistic support is flown by reserve pilots. SEALS don't fly commercial air, they are flown overseas with their weapons, ammo and equipment often by Navy and Air Force reserve transport pilots. And the list goes on in other communities augmented and back filled by RC service members.

I saw his quote was from a Simpson't episode, but he is still stating is case. And he is wrong.
 
Did you also read his swipe at "service" as a reservist? It's more the than humor to him. I happen to think Reynolds should serve at least some of his commitment initially on active duty. David Robinson did. Napoleon McCallum did, Chad Hennings (USAFA) did. It is no secret to recruited service academy football players that they will incur a service obligation. I think letting Reynolds go directly into the reserves sets a bad precedent. And USNA and the USN hardly needs his help as a recruiter these days.

That being said, scoutpilot does a disservice to reservists. Sure there are many that are just doing time to get a retirement, but plenty of contribution from all services non-active duty components since 9/11. At one point 40% of the boots on the ground in Iraq/Afghanistan were guard and reserve. There are two reserve SEAL teams that have had many members mobilized (and killed) to service in combat operations. Much of the USN flight instruction, adversary and logistic support is flown by reserve pilots. SEALS don't fly commercial air, they are flown overseas with their weapons, ammo and equipment often by Navy and Air Force reserve transport pilots. And the list goes on in other communities augmented and back filled by RC service members.

I saw his quote was from a Simpson't episode, but he is still stating is case. And he is wrong.

To add some more clarity, for at least the past 6 -7 years, 100 percent of the CENTCOM "Individual Augmentee" requirements that are validated and sourced by Fleet Forces Command are filled by Navy Reservists on mobilization orders, most of them involuntarily. There are no longer USN AD personnel being sent forward to fill IA billets. If the Navy Reserve was loaded with dirt bags merely drilling for a paycheck, who when called, said "I won't go", then how would FFC fill 100 percent of their requirements?

I was the CO of the largest Reserve unit assigned to PACFLT. At any one time, 20-25 percent of my unit was gone on mobilization orders. Granted some of these billets were to "Tampastan", Bahrain, Djibouti and other places but as I stated earlier, for the most part the USN told these RC sailors where they were going and they went, some filled with apprehension but all ready to do their part.... the location of the mobilization didn't reduce the financial hit most of these folks took in their civilian jobs or the damage done to their small businesses or medical practices. True patriots...all of them...

The best RC sailors were prior NAVETS who had completed their "A" schools, spent time in the fleet and understood what it took to stay current in their rate and advance. Since Keenan Reynolds will have little, if any, AD service, his contributions as a really junior RC officer will be limited...
 
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Did you also read his swipe at "service" as a reservist? It's more the than humor to him. I happen to think Reynolds should serve at least some of his commitment initially on active duty. David Robinson did. Napoleon McCallum did, Chad Hennings (USAFA) did. It is no secret to recruited service academy football players that they will incur a service obligation. I think letting Reynolds go directly into the reserves sets a bad precedent. And USNA and the USN hardly needs his help as a recruiter these days.

That being said, scoutpilot does a disservice to reservists. Sure there are many that are just doing time to get a retirement, but plenty of contribution from all services non-active duty components since 9/11. At one point 40% of the boots on the ground in Iraq/Afghanistan were guard and reserve. There are two reserve SEAL teams that have had many members mobilized (and killed) to service in combat operations. Much of the USN flight instruction, adversary and logistic support is flown by reserve pilots. SEALS don't fly commercial air, they are flown overseas with their weapons, ammo and equipment often by Navy and Air Force reserve transport pilots. And the list goes on in other communities augmented and back filled by RC service members.

I saw his quote was from a Simpson't episode, but he is still stating is case. And he is wrong.
Thanks for the chuckle! Maybe the reservists have to go to shore billets because they're so bent out of shape about jokes that they can't fit through a p-way?

You hold the Navy Reserve in such high esteem, yet you also think Reynolds should be on active duty. Why is that?

Good Lord, leave those poor windmills alone.
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