So If You Resign It is OK

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  1. AF6872

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  2. Zaphod

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    Barney Fwank.
     
  3. Just_A_Mom

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    Very few male military personnel will report a sexual assault or attempted sexual assault. Massa always went after subordinates. To report him might have ended ones career.

    Zaphod - while I would agree that Barney Frank should have invested in speech therapy decades ago - I don't recall that he ever sexually assaulted anyone.
     
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    No.

    He simply allowed his boyfriend to run a prostitution ring out of his house, and then went on to destroy the housing and banking systems.

    Other than that, he's a hell of a guy! :rolleyes:
     
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    Not sure what you mean by long history, I have heard his account of what happened both in the military and recently. I think some have forgotten the Military has not always been PC (especially pre Tail Hook Navy). Trust me I saw both sides of the coin and long deployments with all male crews tended to have a lot of crass humor!
     
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    js3486 -

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35802993/ns/politics-capitol_hill/

    From 1990 to 2010. I would call 20 years a long history.
    Do you think that this was simply "crass humor"?

    You can read the article for more salacious details that I won't print here (and spare everyone the newest usage of the verb "snorkeling").

    What is hysterical is When Larry King asked Massa if he was gay, he responded, "Ask the 10,000 sailors I served with in the Navy."
    Too dumb to realize that anyone would actually ask, I guess. :confused:
    Lesson here - if you have skeletons in your closet, leave them there!
     
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    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    I not sure the average sailor would find that behavior uncommon in the Navy.... :eek::wink: Par for the course! There are frequently "tickle fights" on Navy ships, that's who they decide who gets their SWO pin.
     
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    This is the second time on two different boards I've heard this. WTF?

    Is this another spinoff of this Massa guy?
     
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    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    You've been watching too many movies and "wonderful" CNN broadcasts.
     
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    Actually, no. I can't imagine what movies you are referring to and I hardly ever watch CNN. Are you saying these allegations that are coming out of the woodwork now are not believable? If you believe them then why do you think Massa got away with it for so many years?

    My comment was the conclusion of a comprehensive report that was published in the Navy times on sexual assault/harrassment/rape in the military. Male on male sexual assault/harrassment/rape is almost never reported because of the stigma attached.
     
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    Ohhhhhhh Zaphod! Don't you watch Glenn Beck?? :biggrin:
    I really, really hate posting this here - :wink:
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/09/AR2010030903517.html

     
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    LITS, YOU are so funny:confused:

    I don't have a SWO Pin just ESWS Pin(much harder to get in my opinion). So I am not sure about the tickle fights! I do know that I have been the butt (no pun intended) of similar acts of "humor" Needless to say I did not find them funny at the time but I was not offended or embarrassed. I can not speak to what actually happened to the JO but coming out 20 years after the fact? All I can say is Come on, are you serious!

    Going back to the SWO Pin if I had known to tickle members of the eval board would have gotten me qual'd quicker i would have reached across the table and tickled all of them or at least tried. Oh Well.
     
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    Reporting someone for a UCMJ violation would end your career! Give me a break.

    js3486: I was way before Tail Hook although in another service. "Snorkeling" would not be tolerated in any command. He had a long history. Check it out. Crass Humor is one thing and believe me I have seen some crass behavior by both enlisted and officers on remote assignments and in combat zones. Climbing in a bunk with another Officer and taking his pants off for "snorkeling" is quite another matter. Even if he only wanted to tickle him. You were subject to these acts of "humor"? I would have killed the guy and then asked for a Courts Martial. I guess Air Force was the right choice after all
     
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    Barney Frank??? How could any serious person take anything he says seriously? It's the Fox running the hen house now and a sad day for America.:thumbdown:

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/03/who_is_barney_frank.html

    "Given his present position of influence, taxpayers may want to learn more about the background of the man who directs how hundreds of billions of dollars of their money is spent.


    Barnett "Barney" Frank was first elected to Congress in 1981 at the age of forty-one from Massachusetts' 4th district. Six years later he made national news when he publicly declared his homosexuality. By that admission he became the first openly gay member of the House of Representatives.


    In 1991, Barney Frank received an official reprimand for reflecting "discredit upon the House." The reprimand came as a result of his relationship with a man named Steve Gobi, a male prostitute whom Frank initially paid $80 for sex. Frank later took Gobi to live with him in his home, making him a personal aide. He paid him $20,000 in compensation (unreported to the IRS) and let him use his car. Subsequent investigation revealed that in the course of their relationship, Frank used his congressional office and stationary to fix Gobi's 33 parking fines. Frank also used his congressional letterhead to write a reference letter to Gobi's probation officer -- Gobi was under court supervision as a convicted felon with a prison record -- in which he gave false information. Most damningly, the investigation found that Gobi ran a prostitution ring from Frank's home. In his defense, Frank asserted he knew nothing of Gobi's illicit enterprise.


    The Democrat -controlled House voted 408-18 to reprimand Frank after a heated debate during which some Republicans demanded expulsion. They pointed out that the claim that Frank did not know of Gobi's criminal activities was incredible to say the least.


    Jeff Jacoby of The Boston Globe summed up their sentiments when he wrote: "Most pathetic of all was Frank's claim that he'd been 'victimized' -- that he was a just a 'good liberal' who was 'trying to help' Gobie, but got 'suckered.'""
     
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    Suckered? Maybe Suc***. What a Country America.:yllol:
     
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    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    No, I'm saying it's not good to assume someone coming forward because they were assaulted his have their career ended. That's probably not the best statement to make on a board for people who want to be in the military.

    That is unless you meant something else by... "Massa always went after subordinates. To report him might have ended ones career. "
     
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    :yllol::yllol::yllol::yllol::yllol::yllol::yllol:
     
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    You may not agree with it but the Pentagon agrees.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/03/17/eveningnews/main4872713.shtml

    Sexual assault is the most underreported crime in the military. If you didn't think you would be believe then you would think twice before accusing your commanding officer of a felony.

    But don't take my word for it - Read Joshua Greene article in the Atlantic. He is the journalist who took Massa's own suggestion and contacted some of the sailors with whom he served:
     
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    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    I saw nowhere in there the "Pentagon agreeing" with the idea that if you report, you lose your career.


    On a side note, the Veterans Administration is not "the Pentagon", they have their own cabinet secretary....
     
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    The Pentagon acknowledges that some 80 percent of rapes are never reported - making it the most under-documented crime in the military.

    Why do you think that is? Because they thought they would not be believed.

    Ditto in the Graf case. Why do you think she got away with her actions all those years and her subordinates would not report her?
    It turns into a he said/he said (or he said/she said) case and who wins that? The higher ranking officer.
    Do you think if you made what would appear to be a false accusation of salacious nature against your Commanding officer it would enhance your career?
     
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