Stats for graduating classes of USMMA?

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  1. chris.nugent13

    chris.nugent13 Member

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    I was wondering if there was a site or if someone knew the profiles for graduating classes from Kings Point. Like something that shows what percentage went into civilian jobs or if they became active duty officers in Navy, Coast Guard, Marines, Army or Air Force? Thanks in advance.
     
  2. Kram1

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    Check with admissions folks. they might have something along those lines. I would guess the majority initially go into the merchant service. Some then transfer over to military duty, but I am guessing that the majority remain in civilian career fields. Just a guess.
     
  3. kp2001

    kp2001 USMMA Alumnus

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    Recently the percentages of those going active duty has gone up compared to years back.

    I think some of the recent classes have had close to 20% or more go on active duty with the vast majority being Navy with the other services having a smattering of people. The admissions dept would have the most up to date numbers for you.
     
  4. jasperdog

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    I too am pretty sure those stats are indeed accumulated and kept/share but I think the ones on post graduate career selection upon graduation are compiled by wither the registrar's office or the Department of Professional Development & Career Services though I believe the latest public stats are likely available through a call to the admissions office.
     
  5. Luigi59

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    For the class of 2010 the number was much higher, close to 33%. Not a good thing for a maritime academy whose mission is to produce merchant seamen.

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  6. beyond

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    "The mission of the mission of the United States Merchant Marine Academy is to educate and graduate merchant marine officers and leaders of honor and integrity who serve the maritime industry AND ARMED FORCES....."

    Captain Johnson will tell you that the average pre-recession (before 2006ish) was about 17%-20% go active duty, but you see a spike to around 30 percent in recent years. 2010 settled back down and about 22% went active duty. There appears to be a pretty good correlation between the economy (# of sailing jobs) and how many graduates go active duty. Everyone has been preaching doom and gloom about the maritime industry, it'll never be the same, Jones act this, you won't find a job. That kind of talk has been going on forever, if you want a sailing job out of KP, you'll find one, if you want to go AD then you can do that too!
     
  7. Luigi59

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    Don't kid yourself. The fastest way to lose USMMA funding is to increase the number of those who go "active duty" and decrease the number who go to sea as merchant seamen.

    Read this again:

    With a cost-cutting Congress and an economic reality that shows that ROTC is a MUCH cheaper alternative, why should the taxpayers continue to fund the USMMA to provide military officers? As well as the reality that the state maritime academies are also producing merchant mariners and the students are paying to do so.

    Not many people outside the "KP family" recognize the need and importance of the USMMA than I do, so don't paint me as a non-supporter. In fact, I am one of their biggest fans. But I can see the writing on the wall - if active duty numbers remain this high, expect a renewed call for the shutdown of KP by those in Congress who might not be so familiar with the need.
     
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    Luigi 59, You are spot on!
     
  9. jasperdog

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    Not sure if there are a few typos or something but the numbers were:

    2010 - ~33% went active duty at graduation
    2011 - was where I believe the number returned to the 20-25% range.

    that said the reality is with the small class sizes talking about % can be misleading the difference between the two numbers is ~3 graduates.

    Also comparing to earlier years like back in my and cmakin's day is probably not proper since the service obligation for those of us who did NOt go active duty was two years shorter and the range of interpretation for what was "qualifying employment" generally less restrictive than the period of 2001-2010.

    All that aside, and this is not IN ANY WAY a bash at those going active duty, I strongly agree with Luigi that there is a fine line between where the number going active duty is a good thing and where when too many going that way create a situation where it detracts from what makes USMMA a unique thing that should in Congress' eye continue to receive full funding. On the comparison with State Maritime Academies the comparison needs to, IMO, be between USMMA and the rate and % of a State maritime Academy's graduates who are on a USCG License track. To my knowledge the only State Maritime Academy that has such a high Licensure rate like KP is Great Lakes; some of the others are actually below 75%.

    This is a good topic but before we go down this whole string, it might be more appropriate for someone to start a separate thread...
     
  10. cmakin

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    That is true. It is also true that my class had the option of two Naval Reserve designations. One was the old school "Inactive Reserve" that required either four or six years (depending on the months at sea) of sailing time on US flag vessels, or the new Merchant Marine Reserve (MMR) [or similar]. I may be mistaken, but I believe that only the Class of 81 was given the option, as the MMR program was to replace the old Inactive Reserve.

    But this is treading on hijacking this thread.
     

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