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Wow! Guess it really isn't about stats.
I wonder what your ALO or your chosen recommendations wrote?
 
The more significant criteria appears to be whether you are a "URM" - Under Represented Minority. If you are a white male with these types of stats, the numbers indicate a 50/50 chance of an appointment. Check out the thread "What a joke" to get some insight into what other highly qualified applicants are experiencing for the class of 2017.
 
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When you can't get a nomination you get a twe.
You previously Posted your only nom source was VP.

That's relevant to this conversation here don't ya think?
I only got a Presidential- my district wont give a nom if you have a Pres nom.
I didnt get in USNA but got USAFA.
 
There are some very impressive test scores here. But remember, there's more to it than standardized tests scores.
 
There is a BIG WORLD of difference between a presidential nom and a VP nom. All I'm saying is if you post extremely high sat scores and then say you got a twe, without mentioning your only attempt at securing a nomination was a VP nomination then you aren't telling the actual story and it can be misleading when looking at the scores in isolation.
 
There is a BIG WORLD of difference between a presidential nom and a VP nom. All I'm saying is if you post extremely high sat scores and then say you got a twe, without mentioning your only attempt at securing a nomination was a VP nomination then you aren't telling the actual story and it can be misleading when looking at the scores in isolation.

Likewise there must be a big difference between Pres and MOC?? USNA sez so-explicitly. and that is why I didnt get in! "failure to secure a Conrgessional nomination"
 
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Stats are misleading in their value. DS State are:
SAT math 700
SAT verbal 785 (with ACT 34 conversion)
sports team captain
NASS attendee
7th semester transcript: AP calc- A; AP Physics - A; AP statistics- A; AP US Govt - A-; dual enrollment College English - A; Leadership - A
Presidential and MOC Nomination
2 generations legacy

NOT APPOINTED OR WAIT-LISTED. nothing but a TWE

NROTC Scholarship and USMA appointment in hand.

hard to figure....
 
Is it the consensus of this forum that the apparent preferential treatment is getting worse? or is this just status quo and it is just "our turn"
 
You cannot fully know THE reason, ever

Is it the consensus of this forum that the apparent preferential treatment is getting worse? or is this just status quo and it is just "our turn"

No consensus on that on this end. White males with test scores in the 600s are gaining appointments from my child's high school as well as one from our district (a competitive one). The stats don't say it all. No one knows what goes on interviews and recommendation letters, for instance...or who one or one's family 'knows'.
This just adds to the notion that you simply cannot be sure what makes the call. One of the BGOs many pieces of advice has been: "There is more than one way to become an officer, if you are only looking at the academy for that route, you are not utlizing all avenues open. Focus on that".

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HardCharger, your question made me laugh. it reminded me of that old joke... "and then the reporter asked, do you still beat your wife?" A loaded question is a question which contains a controversial or unjustified assumption ( e.g., a presumption of guilt).Im not sure that the consensus feels that there is apparent preferential treatment, versus satisfying alternate valuable objectives. anyhow-how many threads need to be turned into this topic?

Now to the OP's post:
DS' scores-superscored
ACT scores-you all know the act/sat conversion better-sorry:
Math: 36 (score received on his 8th attempt)
English: 34 (score received on his 1st attempt)
 
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It's been awhile since I've looked at this board but I notice that some things have changed -old friends gone:smile: and new friends onboard - and some things never change – the questions that get asked each year for one. Any discussions of admissions eventually turns into a discussion of the fairness of the system – why did this person get admitted over me or my son/daughter, why don’t they just take the “best”, etc. Of course the selection process is not in place to be fair to everybody it’s meant to serve the purpose of fulfilling the USNA and ultimately the Navy’s missions and that requires a very diverse group of people – diverse in strengths, skills, talents, backgrounds, ambitions and yes, even sex and race. I don’t envy the job the admissions board has, it has to be very difficult to make some of these decisions that so effect people’s lives and I’m sure they would be the first to admit they don’t always make the right decision. But I have to tell you I have been very impressed with the quality of the Midshipmen I’ve had the pleasure to meet over the last two years. BTW, DS had LOA with ACT of 34M and 34E, from MD and not a URM or a recruited athlete.
 
From the Admissions web page:

"The Naval Academy is seeking highly motivated, well-rounded applicants who excel not only academically, but also in athletics, leadership and service. If you have a strong will to achieve, desire a real challenge, and want to be a leader serving your country, the opportunity of a lifetime could begin for you at the United States Naval Academy. It is one of the greatest adventures you could possibly imagine!"

- CAPT Stephen B. Latta,
USN (Ret), Dean of Admissions

I can't seem to find the part where they state: the selection process is not in place to be fair to everybody it’s meant to serve the purpose of fulfilling the USNA and ultimately the Navy’s missions and that requires a very diverse group of people – diverse in strengths, skills, talents, backgrounds, ambitions and yes, even sex and race.

However, I can read the statement you indicate if you remove diverse and change to excel:

the selection process is not in place to be fair to everybody it’s meant to serve the purpose of fulfilling the USNA and ultimately the Navy’s missions and that requires a very diverse “excel” group of people – diverse excel in strengths, skills, talents, backgrounds, ambitions
 
First of all you quoted a sales pitch not the USNA mission statement. Second ANY large organization be it Google, GE, LMT, federal or state government or the military have many different types of jobs that require many different types of skills and many different types of people to fill them. I'm assuming you have never worked for a global organization hence the lack of knowledge regarding a diverse work force. A mission statement is typically a single paragraph it is not meant to get into specifics.
 
Searching for “Mission Statement” on usna.edu (upper right)
provides the following result

http://webster-new.dmz.usna.edu:876...bster-new.dmz.usna.edu&qp=url:www.usnabsd.com

In a nutshell, I don't find a result that provides a Mission Statement for the USNA.
The closest I can find is the “Mission of the USNA” (found at: http://www.usna.edu/mission.htm )

"To develop Midshipmen morally, mentally and physically and to imbue them with the highest ideals of duty, honor and loyalty in order to graduate leaders who are dedicated to a career of naval service and have potential for future development in mind and character to assume the highest responsibilities of command, citizenship and government."

I do not find the word diverse in this mission.

Also, you would be incorrect in assuming I have never worked for a global organization. I have and I do work for a multi-national company. I also manage teams from multiple parts of the world. I do have knowledge regarding a diverse work force. I am not sure why you would be making this assumption or even feel you need to state something like that.
 
Uh oh...here we go again...

Moderators just closed a thread call "what a joke" because of all the ramblings about diversity, which led to what could closely be considered some personal attacks. My guess is this thread might end up with the same result if we are not careful (notice 'we', including myself).

Hopefully not though, as it is great to see the stats...regardless of each of our motivations to see them.

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Then you understand that the best organizations have very strong diversity programs that focus on bringing together people of from all different backgrounds with different skill sets, different ideas and different ways of approaching problems - they consider it a competitive advantage rather than PC. So I would assume that anyone with that sort of experience would know what a mission statement (or statement of mission) is and what it is meant to convey and would know that it is not going to spell out the details of that organization's needs or go into the actual implementation of addressing those needs. But Stella is right - this has digressed beyond my point of saying admissions has a tough job so I am done.
 
I have to say that all this talk about "stats" could lead one to run away !! Yes, there are kids who get perfect scores that don't get appointments and then there are those kids that get appointments that had the average stats. If you look on Naviance ( the college prep service) you will see that all of the academies list the high , low and average test scores.

I have noticed on this forum that everyone wants to know everyone's stats and if they have a decent chance to get an appointment. My advice to them is to get off the forum and go do your homework so that you can get better grades and work on your SAT/ACT scores. Try your best and apply to reach schools, schools where you fit the demographic and safety schools and know that where you get in will be the place you were supposed to be.

If your goal is to be an officer in the militray and you do not get an appointment to an acadmey there are other avenues to take ... all very admirable ( my father was in the Corp at TAMU and came out a commisioned officer in the US Air Force). Like my mother always used to say " there is more than one way to skin a cat".

Relax and enjoy the journey!
 
Admissions does have a tough job but they are certainly disingenuous to say the least just google what an insider says not the speculations from the outsiders of this forum: Professor Bruce Fleming
 
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