"Stiff competition for academy’s class of 2016

[Whistle Pig]

There was another incidence of separation in April for a drinking incident. (UGH! Can you imagine that one!) and my understanding is that these circumstances caused by preventable miscues of Mids require repayment. Pain and double-pain!

But "Miller Time" seems determined to be remembered as an era when the liberal pendulum was swinging back, and misguided Mids were being held accountable and in line with their contractual agreements and academic and behavioral expectations.

 

[Hurricane12]

I mean, people get separated (mostly AC boards) right before graduation. As in, after finals. Like, a week or two before graduating. Talk about motivation to not blow off finals...I can't imagine making that phone call home.

 

[dunninla]

The three "incidents" that night as I recall that were pretty widely reported in the local newspaper as well as on this Board... check back to posts from December, 2010 and you'll get a good read.

Guess I'm nosey, because I tried to look for this thread but couldn't find it

I took a shortcut and just looked for Threads started by Luigi59, who periodically creates threads intended, apparently, to disparage the Naval Academy. I believe he's a Coast Guarder. I found this one:

http://www.serviceacademyforums.com/showthread.php?t=15846

and this one:

http://www.serviceacademyforums.com/showthread.php?t=16240

I actually don't mind Luigi59 initiated threads... a little like a soap opera, but I do think it unnecessarily puts the Naval Academy in a bad light with the only apparent purpose that of elevating the Coast Guard Academy by comparison.

 

[Whistle Pig]

Yea, Luigi does have an axe to grind, it seems. But he does bring some balance and usually candor despite his extreme, too-often disparaging POV. And I believe that there often needs to be some balance brought here. Cheerleaders are fun to watch, but they don't add a lot to the game beyond pretty faces, shapely legs and short skirts, and lots of enthusiasm and athleticism. Not bad things, but not the essence. Some see any information that sheds any kind of negative light on USNA as being out of line, even when it is accurate. USNA is bigger and better than anyone here can denigrate. But it is a highly politicized institution, by its very nature. And my own view is that candidates are best served when they know it all, good, bad, ugly. And the beauty of it all, which is spectacular. But all that glitters is not gold, and even USNA has its blemishes and more so, its agenda items that many would prefer not be recognized too overtly or brought into the light. Again, USNA's beauty marks far out weigh her blemishes and short-comings. And I believe candidates, USNA, USN, and ultimately our nation, are best served with transparency and full information.

Ah transparency ...

 

[LineInTheSand]

I took a shortcut and just looked for Threads started by Luigi59, who periodically creates threads intended, apparently, to disparage the Naval Academy. I believe he's a Coast Guarder. I found this one:

http://www.serviceacademyforums.com/showthread.php?t=15846

and this one:

http://www.serviceacademyforums.com/showthread.php?t=16240

I actually don't mind Luigi59 initiated threads... a little like a soap opera, but I do think it unnecessarily puts the Naval Academy in a bad light with the only apparent purpose that of elevating the Coast Guard Academy by comparison.

Luigi is a parent. The term "Coast Guarder" doesn't exist. The Coast Guard Academy doesn't need to attack the Naval Academy to elevate itself. The only people would think CGA would care to are USNA midshipmen or hopefuls, certainly not cadets or grads. Generally the cadets and midshipmen of each academy are fairly secure in their own identities. The "who is better" arguments rage for those who have never been or hope to attend.

Finally, Whistle Pigs follow on comment is straight on. Each academy has its nasty parts that aren't fun to talk about or consider. But as Whistle Pig said, the good outweigh the bad.

 

[Luigi59]

I took a shortcut and just looked for Threads started by Luigi59, who periodically creates threads intended, apparently, to disparage the Naval Academy. I believe he's a Coast Guarder. I found this one:

http://www.serviceacademyforums.com/showthread.php?t=15846

and this one:

http://www.serviceacademyforums.com/showthread.php?t=16240

I actually don't mind Luigi59 initiated threads... a little like a soap opera, but I do think it unnecessarily puts the Naval Academy in a bad light with the only apparent purpose that of elevating the Coast Guard Academy by comparison.

How about you stick to posting about the service acadmies and shut you mouth about me, OK?

Stop attacking that which you nothing about.

 

[Luigi59]

Yea, Luigi does have an axe to grind, it seems. But he does bring some balance and usually candor despite his extreme, too-often disparaging POV. :

No axe to grind, but again, as above, how about talking about things and not other posters?

It seems that the Mods have completely allowed posters to start posting about other posters.

A little hypocritical if you ask me, allowing others to start posting about me, but whenever I do anything close to that I get a slap on the wrist.

Open season, I'll make note of it.

 

[Hurricane12]

Defensive much?

 

[Whistle Pig]

Lou, you were merely meant as illustration. No attack nor anything personal intended, regardless of merit or otherwise. You are merely the best example readily, often available to illumine the value of even those with chronic axes to grind. And whatever the bee in your cover may be, your insights and candor can be valuable, just like others' with similar chips. And I believe I noted such. Again, nothing personal, to be sure.

It can enhance the value of one's comments knowing where they stand to look at USNA and the process of pursuing appointment. And recognizing that there is apparent anger behind some can lend additional insight to the information. I'm sure you understand. We are who we are, and each bring a different POV. While I fail to grasp your motives, your faithful chronic consistency does have its value, strange as it may seem. Come over from the dark side, be a "force for good!" hmmm where have I heard that?

 

[Luigi59]

Lou, you were merely meant as illustration. No attack nor anything personal intended, regardless of merit or otherwise. You are merely the best example readily, often available to illumine the value of even those with chronic axes to grind. And whatever the bee in your cover may be, your insights and candor can be valuable, just like others' with similar chips. And I believe I noted such. Again, nothing personal, to be sure.

No worries, WP. I know where you are coming from, and vice-versa.

What I don't understand is why the other poster sought to bring me into a thread where I wasn't even posting. Just a cheap shot.

And you and I both know if it was me who did that........

 

[AF6872]

I do not always agree but Luigi has some great thought provoking posts all across this board. A little biased but who cares.

 

[dunninla]

The term "Coast Guarder" doesn't exist.

uh, it does now, being that I used it and you knew what I meant I think it best to avoid a long paragraph about prescriptive vs. descriptive linguistics, a subject about which the French grammar police are well acquainted.

 

[LineInTheSand]

I only understood it because I've received many emails from Kenya letting me know someone died and left me $1M in a bank somewhere.... the construction of those emails is on par with "Coast Guarder"... but seeing as how Guard is already "one who guards" Guarder is a bit redundant. But I'm hoping Navy sailorers know that.

 

[dunninla]

I actually don't mind Luigi59 initiated threads..

I don't mind your threads, as I wrote (don't know you so I can't say anything about you...just what you post publicly).

As two posters above have pointed out, presenting the other side has value. Diogenes made a life pursuit of it in Ancient Greece. Here is Diogenes and his famous Lantern, with which he illuminated traditional customs so that their faults could be examined. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bastein-Lepage_Diogenes.jpg

 

[AF6872]

And the Culture Ministry has banned e-mail, walkman and software among many other words. If you don't like it ban it? Diogenes was looking for an honest man with his lamp in daylight.

 

[LineInTheSand]

I don't mind your threads, as I wrote (don't know you so I can't say anything about you...just what you post publicly).

As two posters above have pointed out, presenting the other side has value. Diogenes made a life pursuit of it in Ancient Greece. Here is Diogenes and his famous Lantern, with which he illuminated traditional customs so that their faults could be examined. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bastein-Lepage_Diogenes.jpg

So you don't mind the threads? You just wanted something to whine about? Well... you are going to fit right in with the fleet! GOOD LUCK!

 

[dunninla]

So You just wanted something to whine about?

No, I was anwering a question about where to find an old thread about arrests on Branch Night last year... I was not being disingenuous (dryly humorous, yes) when I reported that the quick shortcut method I used to find that Thread was simply to search on threads started by Luigi59, and sure enough, that's how I found the thread I had referenced.

 

[Memphis9489]

For the past ~10 years or so, firsties were allowed out in town (in SDBs) on service selection night as long as they were back in by midnight. Last year, a midshipman was arrested for breaking into someone's house (he got kicked out), and there were some other issues in the past as well.

So we weren't allowed off the yard. They had a beer truck in Dahlgren, but it wasn't the same.

Part of the reality with Service Assignment is that there are many who are heart broken and go drown their sorrows in inappropriate and destructive ways. Not everybody is celebrating. The academy has come to this realization and has decided to protect the midshipmen from themselves.

Imagine wanting to FLY and you getting NFO - any you have perfect 20/20 vision?

If I had to sit there and watch somebody else fly my butt onto an aircraft carrier at night, I think I'd go out and get drunk, too - and then try to STAY that way for the rest of my career.