Stolen Valor Act - SCOTUS ruling

Discussion in 'Academy/Military News' started by Luigi59, Jun 25, 2012.

  1. Luigi59

    Luigi59 Banned

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    Any day now, SCOTUS is due to rule on the constitutionality of the SVA.

    While researching the upcoming SCOTUS ruling, I came across the newest "Navy SEAL" to be exposed as a 100% fraud - a former Army PFC (who even has SEAL tattoos) claiming to be a retired MCPO, with a stolen resume that was lifted word-for-word from a real MCPO SEAL.

    Video here: Phony Navy SEAL of the WEEK. Brian Creekmur

    As I personally do not believe lying about being a SEAL or winning a certain medal should be criminally punished (unless fraud or some other crime is attempted or completed), exposing the liars as liars should be publicized as much as possible. Public shame should be heaped upon them, but not criminal punishment.
     
  2. raimius

    raimius USAFA Alumnus

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    Is there something for falsifying a DD-214?
     
  3. Bullet

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    Official Federal record that one can easily use for financial gain through federal benefits. Pretty sure falsifying a DD-214 is a federally punishable offense. :unhappy:

    If it isn't, it should be.
     
  4. DevilDog

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    I agree with you on it not being criminal, but what a scumbag for doing that. It is funny, but it seems like almost a lot of the people I meet that were in the service, claim to have been a SEAL, Recon, a Green Beret, Ranger, or even Pararescue Jumper, maybe not everyone, but a lot of people make those claims. Those MOs's are so exclusive, that I just look at them and think to myself of how much more BS will I be hearing.
     
  5. Luigi59

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    Creating a false one (or altering a real one) to impress the boys down at the VFW or a lady on the internet, no.

    Using it to obtain anything of value - job, benefits, donations, etc - fraud, with the SVA or not.

    "Uh, I was with the Green Beret. Special Unit Battalions, Commando Airborne Tactics, Specialist Tactics, Unit Battalion.
    It was real hush hush. I was Agent Orange. That was my name. Agent Orange. Agent Orange, that was me."

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKtjBqJ4NxA&feature=related

    Let's hope SCOTUS throws out the old law and encourages Congress to pass the new re-written edition of the law.
     
  6. Jcleppe

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    Can't agree with you more.

    I have found that those that are eager to recite their military resume and start a conversation with "Im really not supposed to talk about this" are the ones blowing smoke where it should't go. I have met my share over the years, usualy sitting on the next bar stool.
     
  7. Christcorp

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    I believe Luigi is quite right on this. The government already has "TOO MUCH" influence and say so in reducing our rights. And yes; if you make something like this "Against the law", then you set a legal precedence to allow the government to stop OTHER "Freedom of Speech".

    Now; if someone uses this false identity for financial gain or similar; then you bust their butt for fraud and/or similar charges. But you don't make "Freedom of Speech" against the law. And that's exactly what you are doing with the "Stolen Valor Act". It needs to be clear, that there is NO CRIME for making such valor claims;;; however, if an individual uses these valor claims for financial or other material gain, then they are prosecuted with fraud charges.

    I just don't want the government to say what I "CAN SAY" and what I "CAN'T SAY". They already have gone after many of our rights. Freedom of speech is one of our most important freedoms. It's what allows us to express disagreement; especially with the government.
     

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