Stolen Valor

[TASheehan]

I guess the follow up is, who are you and what (or who) do you represent?

Respectfully, I don't see this going in a good direction. Am I a coward in your eyes if I do not freely admit who I am on an open forum? I believe there are forum rules centered around revealing identities and there may be one about interrogating someone for theirs. Can you tell me why you need to know?

That said, I freely volunteered my name and my intentions to the key people that need to know. I have no real issue about that. It's not really difficult to identify who I am anyway. I have no reason to hide it.

This thread has gotten away from the core discussions. I gave my thoughts on anonymous vs. non-anonymous, which I believe it has morphed into. I move to realign these posts to that spirit and not make it all about me.

 

[Pima]

all I can say is that I have unfinished business.

And that unfinished business is exactly what? Kill this site so the 20,000 posters have no support system because 1 poster slipped through the cracks. Um what is that less than 0.001% percent?

You have flat out said YOU have no bone in the trying to navigate this process as a candidate. All you care about is in your eyes, in my opinion the mods should have done a better job.

I ask again...if TN decides to close shop tomorrow, where will these parents/cadets/candidates go? How hard will it be for them to get insight from ALO/BGO/FFRs?

Go for your unfinished business, but just remember when you win your battle, 21,927 people may be sacrificed,
~ You think they are going to find insight somewhere else from a poster like Hornetguy regarding vision?
~ Do you think they will be able to find a blog like Raimius's as easy as they can here?
~ How about ROTC chance me?

TPG is TPG. It is up to you now to decide how far you are going to take this. If it seems like we are behind TN, than you are right. SAF is a family too many of us. I have never met TN, heck, I bet you have known his name for sometime. I never had the desire to search for it. Have a great time finishing your business from your ivory tower. I will sit down here with the peons and support this site.

FYI, I have no desire to search you out and your name. I have more important things happening in my life, like my FIL moving into assisted living. My DD setting up her 1st home. My beloved Myrtle dieing. That is on top of paying my DS2 college bill. Grocery shopping and cleaning out the kitty litter.

 

[LineInTheSand]

I guess the follow up is, who are you and what (or who) do you represent?

Respectfully, I don't see this going in a good direction. Am I a coward in your eyes if I do not freely admit who I am on an open forum? I believe there are forum rules centered around revealing identities and there may be one about interrogating someone for theirs. Can you tell me why you need to know?

That said, I freely volunteered my name and my intentions to the key people that need to know. I have no real issue about that. It's not really difficult to identify who I am anyway. I have no reason to hide it.

This thread has gotten away from the core discussions. I gave my thoughts on anonymous vs. non-anonymous, which I believe it has morphed into. I move to realign these posts to that spirit and not make it all about me.

No, I don't think you're a coward for posting anonymously. In fact, I have no doubt it makes what you do a bit easier.

I also think attaching a name to a cause or a desire lends credibility. You came here, I assume to call out TPG. I assume you didn't lurk here and you didn't pose as other people to "research" TPG and other posters. Maybe you did, maybe you didn't. I doubt I'll really know the answer to that, and honestly, it's probably not that important.

When you're a new poster, you drop a bombshell on a site (this forum) about TPG, and then say "this is getting more traction, who wants to be interviewed?" that would get more support if you said "I'm Joe Schmoe, I'm working on this thing and I need your help. Here is the organization I work with, here's what we've done… and here are my co-workers."

I'd see that and say "Hmmmm, I guess SAF is on people's radar. Cool."

Instead you came out of no where (and I didn't immediately read this thread), talked about all of this legwork that went into exposing TPG (and exposing someone pulling what TPG pulled is appreciated), that not only had you looked at TPG, but also spent 10-15 minutes to discover bruno's identity (I assume you "researched" others too)….. I don't know, it makes me less comfortable.

Maybe you're doing some good things. I won't rule that out. But I think your approach could have been better. Maybe in the future that's something you should consider, so the possible good deed you're doing isn't lost in the reaction to the methods. Just a thought. And yes, I know some of the things you likely did were not possible without being less than transparent.

Do I need to know your name? No. I don't need to know anyone's name here. And no one needs to know mine (so people do).

Those are just some of my thoughts.

 

[cga82]

I agree it's not about me either but LITS has had to interrogate me about my pedigree. I have been question by him condescendingly as to whether I am an actual CG Academy graduate and has even gone as far to question that my son(who doesn't even know this forum exist) could not gain entrance into the USCGA.

I have spoken the truth to the best of my ability here. And when I hear comments like "Dirty Bird" regarding the USCGC Eagle-(which was never used in my day-meaning I didn't go to the Academy and I'm not cool enough to have gone their-because I know better) I see it as a very negative and shameful term to the Cadets and crew and the Academy. The Eagle -ya hard work -is an Integral Part of Academy life PERIOD.

 

[LineInTheSand]

I agree it's not about me either but LITS has had to interrogate me about my pedigree. I have been question by him condescendingly as to whether I am an actual CG Academy graduate and has even gone as far to question that my son(who doesn't even know this forum exist) could not gain entrance into the USCGA.

I have spoken the truth to the best of my ability here. And when I hear comments like "Dirty Bird" regarding the USCGC Eagle-(which was never used in my day-meaning I didn't go to the Academy and I'm not cool enough to have gone their-because I know better) I see it as a very negative and shameful term to the Cadets and crew and the Academy. The Eagle -ya hard work -is an Integral Part of Academy life PERIOD.

Uh yes, cga82, the weekly victim. Surely you can squeeze some disability out of this, right?

I made no judgement about your comments regarding EAGLE…. remember, I made a comment and you responded.

It's the Dirty Bird because 1. it's dirty. 2. Cadets and crew have been known to do dirty things that aren't…. great for the academy or the Coast Guard. Remember, the cadet cruises and crews are made up of men and women.

As far as if cga82 was a Coast Guard Academy cadet, maybe he was. I have no idea. I know that other members of the CGA community (cadets and officers) as well as other forum members, have asked if cga82 is REALLY from the Coast Guard. I heard so few positive things about the academy.

You just remind me of a grad from the 1970s…. so disconnected and removed from being relevant that it's hard to feel like you have anything to say that still applies to the Coast Guard Academy and the Coast Guard. I don't doubt in 30 years my experience will be so far removed that the Coast Guard will look COMPLETELY different, and the Academy will have changed so many times too.

Do I like cga82? No, probably not. Do I think cga82 is a liar and never served in the Coast Guard? No. I think he did. And I think he has some good stories. He also recommended an interesting book about the Coast Guard Academy.

 

[TASheehan]

I'm puzzled as to why several of you suggested that media attention is a bad thing for this forum. Why? You do great things here and wouldn't having some attention not only help the credibility of the site, but allow for prospective students to become aware of the efforts here? Not only that, but you got rid of a bad influence and that's a good story. What am I missing here?

Are several of you going to continue to keep commenting on what you think motivates me?

As I suggested before, I'm an advocate for getting back to some of the main and sub discussions that came about as a result of this thread.

 

[cga82]

I agree it's not about me either but LITS has had to interrogate me about my pedigree. I have been question by him condescendingly as to whether I am an actual CG Academy graduate and has even gone as far to question that my son(who doesn't even know this forum exist) could not gain entrance into the USCGA.

I have spoken the truth to the best of my ability here. And when I hear comments like "Dirty Bird" regarding the USCGC Eagle-(which was never used in my day-meaning I didn't go to the Academy and I'm not cool enough to have gone their-because I know better) I see it as a very negative and shameful term to the Cadets and crew and the Academy. The Eagle -ya hard work -is an Integral Part of Academy life PERIOD.

Uh yes, cga82, the weekly victim. Surely you can squeeze some disability out of this, right?

There you start again--"weekly victim" is that what you make of it-that's how you attack me.. "Disability" make fun of it -it's a SCAM and you don't have the nerve to call Sleep Apena a Scam..



I made no judgement about your comments regarding EAGLE…. remember, I made a comment and you responded.

It's the Dirty Bird because 1. it's dirty. 2. Cadets and crew have been known to do dirty things that aren't…. great for the academy or the Coast Guard. Remember, the cadet cruises and crews are made up of men and women.

Keep your crappy Dirty junk to yourself- a very very very small percent do wrong on the EAGLE and you want to splash the "Dirty" all over the EAGLE . What would perspective candidates think with your great negative comments about an very important part of their training at CGA?

As far as if cga82 was a Coast Guard Academy cadet, maybe he was. I have no idea. I know that other members of the CGA community (cadets and officers) as well as other forum members, have asked if cga82 is REALLY from the Coast Guard. I heard so few positive things about the academy.

I have to prove my Pedigree again. I guess you're the official CGA clearing house for cga GRADUATES.

You just remind me of a grad from the 1970s…. so disconnected and removed from being relevant that it's hard to feel like you have anything to say that still applies to the Coast Guard Academy and the Coast Guard.

You Remind me of someone who thinks he knows everything...

I don't doubt in 30 years my experience will be so far removed that the Coast Guard will look COMPLETELY different, and the Academy will have changed so many times too.

Never in your mind!

Do I like cga82? No, probably not.

Oh my God... Please Like Me Please Please Mr. CGA clearing house person...

Do I think cga82 is a liar and never served in the Coast Guard? No. I think he did.

Thank God---I have a chance Thank you Thank you

And I think he has some good stories.

Yippee I am somebody LITS likes my non graduate Academy (lieing) stories that I made up--- Probably from my- Disability Sleep Apena dreams

He also recommended an interesting book about the Coast Guard Academy.

Yes, a great coloring book for you..

 

[LineInTheSand]

Oh cga82... As we said, the stories from dirty bird need not be repeated.... And yet you pushed and pushed and pushed.

 

[USMCGrunt]

Wow! Step away for a few days and all hell breaks loose!

Everyone seems to have made their points by now. Lets get back to posting relevant posts for the intended audience.

 

[USMCGrunt]

Hey isn't the Coast Guard birthday tomorrow?

Let's stop the banter and share some toasts!

 

[cga82]

Oh cga82... As we said, the stories from dirty bird need not be repeated.... And yet you pushed and pushed and pushed.

I pushed nothing. You thought it cool to keep calling it the "Dirty Bird"on posts.

Let me give you a southern saying "If you ain't got something good to say then don't say it." Learn some manners..

 

[Jcleppe]

If your question goes deeper than that, all I can say is that I have unfinished business.

Ok, I admit I am confused. You came on this forum a while back and exposed someone calling themselves TGP, while it met some initial skepticism it quickly became apparent that TGP was not who he pretended to be. TGP left this site and I assumed was banned from posting. By then everyone that cared knew he was a fake and moved on.

This is not the first time someone has been on the internet pretending to be someone or something else, and it surely will not be the last. Heck there is a whole industry built around it, they even have TV shows that are about Catfishing. The internet has given an avenue for people to pretend they are anyone, the best we can do is cut ties with those that get caught.

What I don't understand is.....the "Unfinished Business" comment, you did what you came her to do a while ago, I don't think anyone wants to jump in front of a TV camera. What is your goal, why be so cryptic, what is your unfinished business.

To be honest I think everyone had forgotten about him until this thread was started. Nobody is defending TGP in any way. While it was interesting to read the blog post that was linked, for most here it's old news and everyone has just simply moved on.

 

[TASheehan]

TGP left this site and I assumed was banned from posting.

TPG was never banned. In fact, we were told he was free to continue posting. He may have been banned now as a result of this thread.

Unfinished business - I had a short list of items I had requested the owner/admin to consider that I would like acted upon. I am still awaiting a response to this request.

 

[cga82]

TASheehan, share them with us. There should be nothing to hide.

 

[Jcleppe]

Unfinished business - I had a short list of items I had requested the owner/admin to consider that I would like acted upon. I am still awaiting a response to this request.

For what purpose.

I would like the Coast Guard to have a larger picture, not sure that will happen.

As far as TGP being banned, does it really matter, he never posted, at least under that name since this all came to light.

Still wondering what this quest is about, until this thread started everyone had moved on. Someone posted who was not who they said they were, they were found out, they stopped posting, the sun came up the next day, and everyone continued to help those that come to this sight for advice.

Just as a side note, isn't this the second or third name you have used to register with this site....and just so you realize, everyone can read what you post to a profile page, you seem pretty quick to report people when you have no idea of the dynamics. You are right about one thing, you are walking a fine line.

 

[-Bull-]

I'm starting to think I'm a poser too....

TASheehan, I know next to nothing about 99% of posters on this site, including those in this thread, so accept this post as a random opinion.

I think you're catching resistance because the people here simply want to protect the institution. They don't give half a sh!t about TPG anymore. I think we've all understood and accepted the fact that the scum of TPG is a phony, and months later have since moved on. I personally think everything with his name attached to it should be left on the internet so every time he gets on the Internet he's reminded of how worthless he is.

What's not very helpful, and I saw it a couple years ago on a board I used to frequent, is when an entire site is essentially destroyed because they are brought down with a poser they never attempted to support. If this keeps being pushed it very well could lead to that. This site is very different from one that is mostly filled with currently serving or retired military members, and I think you're approach would probably be more receptive on a site like that. Probably why you're getting some of the responses that you're getting.

Would it hurt my feelings if you brought down this site as part of your crusade? No, not really. I think we all can move on. But is it really necessary? I don't really think so. And I don't think that's your goal. But I think most people here are at a point where they want to know what you really want us to do. What can we, personally, do to remedy the problems caused by someone none of us know that is nowhere to be found? The more time we spend talking about TPG gives the name more attention, and that's what he wants. The sooner his name disappears the sooner he loses what he was after.

 

[TASheehan]

Unfinished business - I had a short list of items I had requested the owner/admin to consider that I would like acted upon. I am still awaiting a response to this request.

For what purpose.

Policy related mods. Please explain to me what your role is with all of this. Will you now be taking the lead on all negotiations?

Just as a side note, isn't this the second or third name you have used to register with this site....and just so you realize, everyone can read what you post to a profile page, you seem pretty quick to report people when you have no idea of the dynamics. You are right about one thing, you are walking a fine line.

I've observed that despite a noble mission, this forum seems to have members that treat it more like a social club than an advisory forum for prospective SA candidates. There is no rank here, but some seem to feel that by nature of their post and point numbers, they have the right to be ugly, mean-spirited and unfair to other members and especially new ones. There may be some history between some of you but when you resort to a low level of discourse it tends to make everyone feel uncomfortable. Where is the responsibility to the younger folks to show them professional communication vs. have the equivalent of an adult food fight?

I appeal to everybody to try to keep it all on a professional level. Challenge yourself, you may be able to find a better way to say the same thing and still get your point across.

 

[TASheehan]

-Bull-, good post.

TASheehan, share them with us. There should be nothing to hide.

1) Remove posting restrictions placed on the account of Justin Facts
2) Place a disclaimer on the front page of SAF *prominently* stating that you are NOT affiliated with any US Service Academy, US Government, Department of Defense, nor is there any implied endorsement
3) Remove all posts by member 'tpg', including all archives
4) Appropriately address the security and PII violations with your forum and post a security policy that outlines your procedures to ensure their privacy

 

[LineInTheSand]

1. Who is Justin Facts? I've never seen the name. Is this someone you're affiliated with?
2. Seems reasonable enough.
3. No. Label him banned. Why try to white wash it?
4. I'm confused by this. The only PII I can think of is if someone provides that information (or uses it as their name/avatar). Of course, maybe I just have no idea (a very real possibility).

 

[LineInTheSand]

And perhaps you should have posted your "demands" in Community Feedback/Suggestions. I have no idea why any of these desires hadn't been disclosed.

You submit "suggestions." I don't think you (or anyone else) is in a position for "negotiations."