Discussion in 'Academy/Military News' started by Maximus, Mar 17, 2010.
This is no shocker to me. At our last base, we had 2 people removed. One was the OSS commander and the other was the Chaplain Commander. Today the military has no tolerance for drunken behavior. They no longer protect commanders like they did yrs ago.
It looks as if the Navy has been on a run this year. They are doing some serious cleanouts.
What is it, 22-24 in the past year?
Oh, well. That's life when you're in command.
Wow..., is all I gotta say.
His downfall? Getting drunk in front of a bunch of NROTC mids and needing them to take care of you.
not. a. good. idea.
I was expecting something worse.....like some kind of action. Oh well, commanding officers should know better.
have to wonder why he didn't just call a cab.
Or didn't bring a "wingman" or "shipmate" to watch out for him (something that should be common knowledge on every port call."
Why weren't officers from the NROTC unit there?
The CO had some LTJG from the boat with him, apparently they were both drunk. So much for his "wingman"
"The charges that the Navy said Cima was found guilty of are a career-ender in the Navy. "
Yet smoking...er...never mind.
Maybe an adult man in a leadership position should have enough maturity to refrain from getting smashed in a work related setting and when in the presence of people he is supposed to be setting a positive example for...
True. I agree. This is however something the sea services battle with, underway for weeks or months, some people tend to drink when they're in port. You want to watch out for shipmates, make sure they don't get into a situation like this.
If you think this commander is alone, you are dead wrong. Reality hits you pretty fast, BUT this kind of stuff, it needs to be avoided. He isn't the first person to lose his job because of alcohol and he won't be the last. His "shipmate" could have told him to slow down, get a cab, etc.
I think it is out of line for him to have had even one alcoholic drink while in the presence of midshipmen - especially since at least some of them were underage.
I can't imagine any instance in the civilian world where this would be acceptable.
I would suspect that he has a "drinking problem".
Most social events in the military involve alcohol, even if minors are present....they just aren't allowed to drink too.
Welcome to the real world.
Disagree with you on this one. If that were the case then all Dining Ins and Dining Outs would have to be canceled. You can't tell me that office christmas parties don't have alcohol at them. Not all employees are of age. They had already had the "official" stuff at school and this was apparently supposed to be more of a "relaxed" atmosphere.
To get drunk, absolutely dumb. To have a drink or two, no problemo and in the military setting likely ingratiated him with the older mids (until he continued drinking that is).
I don't agree that this was in anyway akin to a Dining in or a Dining Out.
I prefer to make the distinction that this was not a 'military social event'. This was a high ranking officer meeting with midshipman to discuss careers.
There were no peers of this officer there, the 'event' was not purely social, the drinking was not social (apparently).
I liken it to a college admissions officer treating a bunch of accepted students to a pizza and then getting drunk.
Isn't that pretty much what happens with many recruited athletes at colleges? and they are usually underage.
It is very typical in the military, from my experience, to have senior officer's sit down with junior officer's in a less than formal setting and have drinks after a more formal event earlier in the day.
Usually when someone flies in from out of the area they hosting command is stuck with "entertaining" that person for the duration of their stay. One of the ways they can do this is by having a "dinner" set up with him.
It looks like in this instance there was a recruiting pitch earlier in the day at the school and then there was a less formal dinner/drinks type setting in the evening. Unfortunately the Captain went overboard on the "drink" portion and is now paying the price for it.
A CO shouldn't NEED a wingman. HE is the wingman for the rest of the crew.
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