Supe says Women Increse for the Class of 2018

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  1. Stevewar2

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    Good news for my daughter. Bad news for the guys. If women get in at the 20% rate that's about 50 more women (vs. 15.3% for YG2017). The 25% rate will make it 100 more. 30% will almost equal the number of "qualified" women who applied last year. 347 women were qualified last year and 181 got appointments.

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    There is another discussion in the academy news section.

    My guess is that the Supe was misquoted or he is an idiot. I pick being misquoted.

     
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    I would guess the main focus will now be to get more women to apply. It's hard to compare admission rates when one group has low application numbers and another has high numbers.

    If WP has the same number of female applicants this year, it will be hard to increase acceptance without raising a few eyebrows.
     
  4. tug_boat

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    Interesting....

    http://www.npr.org/2013/10/22/239260015/west-point-women-a-natural-pattern-or-a-camouflage-ceiling


    Interesting article. I can understand the difficult time for the first women entering into West Point and the resistance they faced. Today, much has changed. I can understand how we try to “make things equal”. But I think it is the wrong word to use. Men and Women are different. Should they be made “equal”? IMHO no. Should the Army be blind and see its Cadets without gender? IMHO, no. I would rather see West Point search for the Cadets strengths and exploit them, identify their weakness and fortify them. There are advantages and disadvantages to both sexes in the military and women can play a vital role in the culture and goals.

    I’ve met Col McDonald several times and find her to be the perfect person responsible for admissions. Her insight, leadership and command are spot on. She is a perfect example of the strength women can play in the military.

    Currently the First Sergeant is a female Cadet, the forth in the Long Gray Lines history. She is confident, assertive and will be a fine 2nd Lieutenant soon.

    Just found out today, the record at IDOC was just broken, by a female Plebe, 2:26. Congrats to her breaking the record that stood since 1989. (Indoor Obstacle Course)

    So why don’t we have more women? The Navy Class of 2017 had admitted 23% and the Air Force admitted 23%. Should West Point raise its goals? Not my decision, put it is worth examine this goal issue.


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  5. EagleScout13

    EagleScout13 USMA Class of 2017

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    tug_boat, just one small correction. It's first captain, rather than first sergeant. Also, the plebe who broke the record is in my literature class and is on the track team I believe. Her IOCT time is unreal.
     
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    @Eagle Scout

    Thank you for the correction. I should proof myself a little more. BTW EagleScout what is your opinion on this matter?

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    Not to take away from her awesome time. I believe the IOCT record is 1:59 set by a DPE instructor and bested the old record of 2:03. It should be out on YouTube.
     
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    + according to the 2016 class profile, USNA had 4820 female applicants out of 20601 and USMA had 3070 female applicants out of 15171. Couldn't find USAFA information.
     
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    Maybe the record is for a female cadet.
    Here she is:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94tPO0fGtJo
     
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    Fastest Plebe...

    That is correct. The fastest female record broken.

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    USNA Stats

    USNA Class of 2017
    4,007 of the 17,819 were women (22.49%)
    333 of the 1,408 appointments offered were to women (23.65%)
    273 of the 1,200 entering the class were women (22.75%)

    My daughter is a Plebe in this class. She strongly opposes lowering standards.

    I strongly oppose lowering standards because unlike other industries, lives would be put at greater risks. However, I suspect there are some standards that could be revised because they have no bearing on the mission.
     
  13. Stevewar2

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    Standards

    Standards are already different. Women have less requirements for push ups and the run. I was a Prepster with a 1270 SAT. The standards have been abused forever to get the right mix. They made me room with Varsity football players a lot to help them with their military areas and all (but one) of them was dumb as a rock. Thankfully, only one of them graduated (a dumb one). I had a recruited athlete classmate who did not graduate prep school or WP. They used him through his eligibility and discarded him. If I could fix anything, I would not allow recruited athletes to get special consideration. USMA is an Academy, who cares if they are successful on the playing field at the 1A level? I'm sure there is disagreement out there lol
     
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