Pima
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WaMom,
I think every now and then people's feathers get ruffled by a comment. The problem with forums, are they are not live, and nobody can see/hear the intonation of the person's voice. Thus, for the most part it immediately jumps to the defensive.
For me, I didn't take the "old farts" comment as an offensive comment. I started considering Bullet an "old fart" when he made O4 (33 yo), but he still thinks he is young even now, since O6's are older than him.
I think cadets, military members and parents of these people will become defensive when they hear others speak negative about the issue. It is personal for them. As, I stated my DD has one, she knew we were absolutely adamant against it. We explained to her that there were many people like us, and she would have to accept their opinions, right or wrong, that is life. Perception exists everywhere.
Most posters in opposition to tats are being honest and stating there is a negative perception in the military. The irony is this negative perception started when the societal perception became positive. It was only a decade ago. Hence, to say society has changed and the military will get on board, doesn't make sense to many who entered 10-15 yrs ago, because they know that this is a new reg, and many serving currently had to get grandfathered in. It wasn't a small deal, at least for the AF. It was a big deal, one where they were all briefed on thoroughly, to the point it was a tattoo in their brain.
It also just wasn't about tats, it was also about body piercing, and at that time many female members had tongue piercings. Those are popular today also, but are not allowed while in uniform.
If you want a tat, and don't break the reg., I believe you should get one, but be prepared that there will be some in the military who deeply disagree with the decision.
The last thing I will say is some that are opposed may be opposed for other reasons than most realize, it is not a "prude" issue. In the jewish faith it is a sin, to get inked. Thus, this is something they oppose from a religious perspective.
True story. My MIL was distraught over our DD getting a tat, as I stated it is religious, on the arch of her foot, saying "walk in his feet".
She blurts out, but DD won't be able to have a religious burial when she dies!
We respond: Yes, she will, who told you that?
Her: It is against the jewish faith
US: WE'RE CATHOLIC, SHE'S NOT JEWISH!
MIL is jewish and I guess she forgot we're Catholic.
I thought everyone needed a laugh after all of the serious talk.
I think every now and then people's feathers get ruffled by a comment. The problem with forums, are they are not live, and nobody can see/hear the intonation of the person's voice. Thus, for the most part it immediately jumps to the defensive.
For me, I didn't take the "old farts" comment as an offensive comment. I started considering Bullet an "old fart" when he made O4 (33 yo), but he still thinks he is young even now, since O6's are older than him.
I think cadets, military members and parents of these people will become defensive when they hear others speak negative about the issue. It is personal for them. As, I stated my DD has one, she knew we were absolutely adamant against it. We explained to her that there were many people like us, and she would have to accept their opinions, right or wrong, that is life. Perception exists everywhere.
Most posters in opposition to tats are being honest and stating there is a negative perception in the military. The irony is this negative perception started when the societal perception became positive. It was only a decade ago. Hence, to say society has changed and the military will get on board, doesn't make sense to many who entered 10-15 yrs ago, because they know that this is a new reg, and many serving currently had to get grandfathered in. It wasn't a small deal, at least for the AF. It was a big deal, one where they were all briefed on thoroughly, to the point it was a tattoo in their brain.
It also just wasn't about tats, it was also about body piercing, and at that time many female members had tongue piercings. Those are popular today also, but are not allowed while in uniform.
If you want a tat, and don't break the reg., I believe you should get one, but be prepared that there will be some in the military who deeply disagree with the decision.
The last thing I will say is some that are opposed may be opposed for other reasons than most realize, it is not a "prude" issue. In the jewish faith it is a sin, to get inked. Thus, this is something they oppose from a religious perspective.
True story. My MIL was distraught over our DD getting a tat, as I stated it is religious, on the arch of her foot, saying "walk in his feet".
She blurts out, but DD won't be able to have a religious burial when she dies!
We respond: Yes, she will, who told you that?
Her: It is against the jewish faith
US: WE'RE CATHOLIC, SHE'S NOT JEWISH!
MIL is jewish and I guess she forgot we're Catholic.
I thought everyone needed a laugh after all of the serious talk.
eer pressure. Bullet jumped with the 82nd. He was 30, not a young pup. He wanted to get a tat on his calf like the majority of those in the det. I said, I will be all for it, but you must promise to wait until 6 mos after you return to the AF flying world. He doesn't have a tat. It wasn't so much peer pressure, but more societal norms of the world he was floating in.