The Reapplying Club

vamom said:
Mattwsmom2015, I hear you. Budget cuts have been tough all the way around for we parents of the Class of 2015. I'm glad that you have at least some scholarship money coming your way. DS was told by ROTC HQ that he would have been awarded a scholarship but his choice of ENGINEERING MAJOR was one that, due to NASA budget cuts, is not a preferred ENG major right now. Had he selected another field of ENG on the application, we would not be looking at paying the entire tuition. So while it is a punch in the gut, I'm sure, for you to come up with an additional $7300, there are some who are coming up with all of it due to the types of situtations I described. I hate to use the word "unfair" so I wont. But I really, really want to!:smile:

So for now, focusing on preparing for the coming school year AND the reapplication process. A "two for one" special..... ???:rolleyes: Oh, and FAFSA. Don't forget FAFSA!
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Yep, FAFSA. But that is where that grant came from and now magically disappeared. Part of the decision to attend this particular school was the fact that the AFROTC website listed the subsidy list for this school that included a $6000 credit towards room and board. The school changed their policy and the website still is not updated. Now the scholarship originally awarded by the school is all the ROTC scholarship recipient was awarded, no extra towards room and board. It is on the AFROTC website and not the school's so they don't have to honor it. This is just NOT a good year!

OK, enough whining. We have a very smart, talented son who is going to do very well in school and hopefully reapply and be appointed to the USAFA next year!:smile:

Edited to add: So sorry about what is going on with your son. You guys are really getting hit hard!
 
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DjSanguine said:
It just says Qualified--If the examiner said that she would be pilot qualified, I'd stick with that. Mine told me the same. Other than that, I had no prior indication that I was pilot qualified until I received the Falcon Foundation letter and read that as one of the criteria
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Thank you very much.
 
1. RyWalk - University of Central Florida - AFROTC - state scholarship
2. BrianReed - ERAU Prescott - AFROTC
3. flyusaf93 - PSU with AFROTC - AFA application started
4. SaltLife- North Carolina State University- AROTC scholarship- file opened
5. Vamom- Virginia Tech ENG: AFROTC/Corp of Cadets
6. Mattsmom2015 & cgchris99 (son) - MSOE - AFROTC 4yr scholarship
7. delaney (son) - Texas A&M - AFROTC
8. Daniel Kennedy (WKSLP)-USNA or New Mexico Military Institute (1 year Academy Prep Program)(pending a TWE from USNA)
9. Jagabiti (son) 4 year AROTC Rutgers Univ. Eng. waiting on transfer to ERAU Daytona - AFA application in the works
10. Evilleramsfan (son) - SIUE - Applying for AFROTC
11. cryosk8trboi - University of California: San Diego - AFROTC
12. tkuser21mom (son)- Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology: AFROTC
13. hunterjumper67 (daughter)-University West Georgia: Georgia Tech AFROTC-Hope scholarship.
 
1. RyWalk - University of Central Florida - AFROTC - state scholarship
2. BrianReed - ERAU Prescott - AFROTC
3. flyusaf93 - PSU with AFROTC - AFA application started
4. SaltLife- North Carolina State University- AROTC scholarship- file opened
5. Vamom- Virginia Tech ENG: AFROTC/Corp of Cadets
6. Mattsmom2015 & cgchris99 (son) - MSOE - AFROTC 4yr scholarship
7. delaney (son) - Texas A&M - AFROTC
8. Daniel Kennedy (WKSLP)-USNA or New Mexico Military Institute (1 year Academy Prep Program)(pending a TWE from USNA)
9. Jagabiti (son) 4 year AROTC Rutgers Univ. Eng. waiting on transfer to ERAU Daytona - AFA application in the works
10. Evilleramsfan (son) - SIUE - Applying for AFROTC
11. cryosk8trboi - University of California: San Diego - AFROTC
12. tkuser21mom (son)- Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology: AFROTC
13. hunterjumper67 (daughter)-University West Georgia: Georgia Tech AFROTC-Hope scholarship.
14. md_spirit - (son) NWP Fall & UMD College Park Spring
 
1. RyWalk - University of Central Florida - AFROTC - state scholarship
2. BrianReed - ERAU Prescott - AFROTC
3. flyusaf93 - PSU with AFROTC - AFA application started
4. SaltLife- North Carolina State University- AROTC scholarship- file opened
5. Vamom- Virginia Tech ENG: AFROTC/Corp of Cadets
6. Mattsmom2015 & cgchris99 (son) - MSOE - AFROTC 4yr scholarship
7. delaney (son) - Texas A&M - AFROTC
8. Daniel Kennedy (WKSLP)-USNA or New Mexico Military Institute (1 year Academy Prep Program)(pending a TWE from USNA)
9. Jagabiti (son) 4 year AROTC Rutgers Univ. Eng. waiting on transfer to ERAU Daytona - AFA application in the works
10. Evilleramsfan (son) - SIUE - Applying for AFROTC
11. cryosk8trboi - University of California: San Diego - AFROTC
12. tkuser21mom (son)- Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology: AFROTC
13. hunterjumper67 (daughter)-University West Georgia: Georgia Tech AFROTC-Hope scholarship.
14. md_spirit - (son) NWP Fall & UMD College Park Spring
15. LodgeChief2011; NWP Fall & Gulf Coast Community College Spring
 
tlangford said:
Told you they are awsome people!! It's a great program and school and did more for me then I could have imagined. If you have any more questions or want inside hints pm me!! Ya an that score will go up a lot ended up getting perfect scores!! PM me if you want the inside secrets and hints!!
Oh the school is small so literally there is only like 5 people who work their but that makes it so much better!!
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My DS flyusa93 had the same experience with the Durbecks! I am sold. We have also filled out the application. You guys are exceptional and I am so impressed with the positive support given on this thread. I have experienced some abrupt answers from a few folks and I am not a dumb mother I am just new to all of this so I am thankful to find support instead of sarcasm. My DS is excited about NWP and so am I. I do have a question we did call today to see if he was flagged for a Falcon scholarship and were told no because he is not pilot qualified when we asked why they said they did not know. Do we call DoDMRB? In a previous post I was told that the DoDMRB would not have the answer and that you are not PQ'd until after graduation so I am not sure who to call. The reason why I need to get on this is because according to the qualifications we are aware of he is qualified so we want to see if it is a clerical error or perhaps something physical we are not aware of. When I posted this on another thread I was told by a poster that Falcon scholarship is not Air Force so am I confused. I just want to be assured I did everything in my power to assure he hasnt been skipped over because of an error. Again thanks for your help after being shot down in an early abrupt post I was hesitant to stay on. I think everyone on this forum is experiencing some sort of stress or emotions right now so I am going to create a hard shell and gain support from who I can. Good luck to you this coming year and I am sure you will at some point meet my DS!
 
If you go to NWP do you have to go to a community college in the spring or can you go to like a 4 year college?
 
Mateson said:
My DS flyusa93 had the same experience with the Durbecks! I am sold. We have also filled out the application. You guys are exceptional and I am so impressed with the positive support given on this thread. I have experienced some abrupt answers from a few folks and I am not a dumb mother I am just new to all of this so I am thankful to find support instead of sarcasm. My DS is excited about NWP and so am I. I do have a question we did call today to see if he was flagged for a Falcon scholarship and were told no because he is not pilot qualified when we asked why they said they did not know. Do we call DoDMRB? In a previous post I was told that the DoDMRB would not have the answer and that you are not PQ'd until after graduation so I am not sure who to call. The reason why I need to get on this is because according to the qualifications we are aware of he is qualified so we want to see if it is a clerical error or perhaps something physical we are not aware of. When I posted this on another thread I was told by a poster that Falcon scholarship is not Air Force so am I confused. I just want to be assured I did everything in my power to assure he hasnt been skipped over because of an error. Again thanks for your help after being shot down in an early abrupt post I was hesitant to stay on. I think everyone on this forum is experiencing some sort of stress or emotions right now so I am going to create a hard shell and gain support from who I can. Good luck to you this coming year and I am sure you will at some point meet my DS!
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Hello! Well for starters, NWP is an exceptional choice! In my opinion that TWE last year is the best thing that could have happened to me and gave me the option of NWP which has helped and improved me so much.
As for the falcon scholarship, the main and really only qualification is being pilot qualified. I am not to sure as how the pilot qualification works or the logistics of that. I believe you are pilot qualified before graduation but I may be wrong. I guess I would try contacting Dodmerb or call or email Mrs. Durbeck and she may be able to help with this.
I know, if your DS attends NWP, that I will see him. I plan on returning to NWP on thanksgiving break, sorry to tell that the NWP prepsters do not get thanksgiving off (there will still be a vocab test and maybe some class, but otherwise is still a great day).
Feel free to ask any questions on this thread or PM me. I can go very in depth and continue for lengths about NWP.
 
SaltLife said:
If you go to NWP do you have to go to a community college in the spring or can you go to like a 4 year college?
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You can go to a 4 year college after NWP. However, that is another application to do and get accepted. I would recommend going to community college during the spring semester for 2 reasons:
1) It is drastically cheaper.
2) Your credits wont transfer to the academy.

The cost of community college is so much cheaper than a 4 year college. You are merely 'passing your time' during spring semester. By going to community college you save money and can focus. The classes are a little easier and this allows you to 'buckle down'. You can not let your grades slip in spring and need to ensure that you maintain a high academic standing. Also at community college, I have a lot of free time which I use to study, workout, run, run, or run.
 
Regarding the falcon scholarship, I'm almost positive the AOG gathers money and chooses the recipients of the great scholarship. Early on, when I visited the academy I spoke directly to admissions and they filled me in. I was told I was over qualified for the prep school, but if I didn't receive and appointment there was always a possibility of the falcon foundation. I was told it was ALL up to the AOG. But hey! I've been wrong before. I hope this helps.
 
Pima said:
From the size of this list it appears that currently many plan on re-applying next year.

The thing to realize is to be open minded when you get to your college. It is very important to be honest with the incoming det of your intentions. You don't want to side swipe the commander 2 weeks before the packet is due that you are opting this route. You also want to inform them since as C100's (AFROTC C100=C4C AFA) your face is new, and you want the command to connect it with your name. Nothing will hurt you more than a CoC turning to a flight commander and asking who is this cadet? FCC replies, nice enough kid, but I don't have a feeling about them positive or negative.

Informing them early will allow them time to give you a stronger rec. It can also cut in the negative way if you do stupid things, like being late for PT, or asking if PT is voluntary.:eek:

It is also important to use this time to get ready for the AFA. Take the most difficult classes, and be very active in the det. The more you do the more you will be able to transition easier into AFA life. Taking 15 credits and playing X box when not at class, is going to make it harder for you next yr when free time is very limited.

By also taking harder courses you will academically transition easier because the AFA is known as the little engineering school in the Rockies. You will not feel as pressured academically since it may be more of a repeat yr for you than the traditional hs student...again why the AFA likes 2nd timers. They feel more comfortable that the candidate has already proven they can transition from hs to college just fine.

Good luck. Just remember what your goal is for next yr, and plot accordingly. I understand many of you need decompression time from a yr of living this journey, take that time, just don't take too long. This summer will be busy, and come Sept., it isn't going to be less hectic. Get your paperwork started during the summer.

It will be harder to write essays to all of your MOCs, and adjust to freshman yr., especially if you take 18+ credits. For most colleges mid-terms will be exactly at the same point as the drop dead date for the MOC apps.

I think many kids who are academically gifted like the majority of candidates, do not understand college is not like hs. Profs will see you as adults, get the material, don't get it, we aren't slowing down the class, hard to slow down a class for an Econ 101 kid when they have 200 people in the class. The hardest thing for these kids are this is the 1st time where they academically have to fight for their grades, and that plays on them emotionally. I highlight doubt there is one parent of a college kid who never got a call from their child freaking out over a course and their current grade in that class. I also highly doubt that any of those kids believed they would be one of those kids.

That is just part of college and a part to be prepared for when you enter. Also remember the other part is social. The whole dorm mate and no parent to scream at you it is midnight go to bed is also an adjustment issue.
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Pima, thank you for the information and the encouraging words. I am still trying to figure out if my DD should start classes this summer. I really would like to see her concentrate on her SAT/ACT and hopefully blow them out of the water come Oct. However, I keep seeing people talking about 1 year of college when they re-apply. If they start in fall they would only have 1 semester before the application deadline, correct? Any advise? I have posted this before but could not find where anybody answered yet. Thanks again for the info.
 
Strike Eagle said:
You go to the normal fall semester and spring semester. After your fall semester, you submit that first semester transcript. The Academy will review your file and will give a Conditional Appointment. They then want your final transcript after the year is over. So no, we aren't taking our summer semester as our first semester (at least most people aren't, anyway).

It's just like high school. You are given an appointment before you graduate and send your final transcript once you do.
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Ok, thank you so much. DD really wants to concentrate on SAT/ACT studies over the summer, so come October she can hopefully drastically improve.
 
Mateson said:
My DS flyusa93 had the same experience with the Durbecks! I am sold. We have also filled out the application. You guys are exceptional and I am so impressed with the positive support given on this thread. I have experienced some abrupt answers from a few folks and I am not a dumb mother I am just new to all of this so I am thankful to find support instead of sarcasm. My DS is excited about NWP and so am I. I do have a question we did call today to see if he was flagged for a Falcon scholarship and were told no because he is not pilot qualified when we asked why they said they did not know. Do we call DoDMRB? In a previous post I was told that the DoDMRB would not have the answer and that you are not PQ'd until after graduation so I am not sure who to call. The reason why I need to get on this is because according to the qualifications we are aware of he is qualified so we want to see if it is a clerical error or perhaps something physical we are not aware of. When I posted this on another thread I was told by a poster that Falcon scholarship is not Air Force so am I confused. I just want to be assured I did everything in my power to assure he hasnt been skipped over because of an error. Again thanks for your help after being shot down in an early abrupt post I was hesitant to stay on. I think everyone on this forum is experiencing some sort of stress or emotions right now so I am going to create a hard shell and gain support from who I can. Good luck to you this coming year and I am sure you will at some point meet my DS!
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Hey, I actually had the same worry and the same problem. So I went on the dodmerb thread and found a e-mail adress to Mr. Mullen. He can't answer the questions directly on the thread but if you e-mail him he will reply really quicky. He told me that nor the examiner nor Dodmerb can determine if you are pilot qualified. Someone else also replied that if it has "qualified" on his status without any other comments he should be "pilot qualified". They told me it never says pilot qualified just qualified. Now I am brand new here as well so don't take my word for anything but this is what I have been told. However, this forum would have been awesome to have way early. And everybody has been real helpful. I also have encountered some people who were a little abrupt, but overall people have been super helpful. It appears the most experienced ones on the forum are Chriscorp, flieger, pima, falconfamily, and now strike eagle but everybody seems to want to help each other. Good Luck. Hope you figure it out fast. The only other addition I have is that I thought they handed out the scholarships from Colorado, I didn't know about the different prepschools picking their own. This was the first time I saw that they had access to our files to determine qualifications.
 
HI there! If you google Falcon Scholarship, you will find all of the answers that you are looking for. There is a website which tells the history of the scholarship and how selections are made. I think sometimes its a good idea to go to "the horses mouth" rather than have well-meaning folks (myself included!) try to interpret the words of others. Falcon is not USAFA. Some of the individuals (maybe all) are retired AF, but the Falcon money is a private scholarship fund and these individuals have access to the USAFA files. There are specific types of QNV's that they are looking for. I can blather on about what I read, but I'm afraid to mis-state something so I would encourage those of you who are waiting on or interested in Falcon to research it via google (we found it right away). That should answer MOST questions! I hope this helps and as Pima likes to say "that it did not muddy the waters". :)

Here is the link that we found:

http://www.falconfoundation.org/Fact_Sheet.htm
 
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vamom said:
HI there! If you google Falcon Scholarship, you will find all of the answers that you are looking for. There is a website which tells the history of the scholarship and how selections are made. I think sometimes its a good idea to go to "the horses mouth" rather than have well-meaning folks (myself included!) try to interpret the words of others. Falcon is not USAFA. Some of the individuals (maybe all) are retired AF, but the Falcon money is a private scholarship fund and these individuals have access to the USAFA files. There are specific types of QNV's that they are looking for. I can blather on about what I read, but I'm afraid to mis-state something so I would encourage those of you who are waiting on or interested in Falcon to research it via google (we found it right away). That should answer MOST questions! I hope this helps and as Pima likes to say "that it did not muddy the waters". :)

Here is the link that we found:

http://www.falconfoundation.org/Fact_Sheet.htm
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We always look past the easiest solutions... a google search haha. If that is up to date then the previous thought that you had to be potentially pilot qualified to be a falcon scholar is wrong. I have heard multiple people say that though.
 
When reapplying, I know you have to show that you're working hard in college and actually handling the courseload well. I plan to impress ROTC leadership and also pull a really good GPA. But it gets a little tough weighing good GPA and courseload.

I took AP Calc AB in my Junior year, which is Calc I. So now my dillema is whether I should jump right into Calc II for the fall semester. What I heard from talking to a AFROTC cadet at the school is that almost no one passes Calc II on the first run. He said he got a D then retook it the next semester for a B.

So my first thought was to just take Calc I again, pass it, and hopefully have a big and shiny GPA. It wouldn't be bad as a review too, it has been a while since I've taken it. Or I could brush up on calc I from my notes and dive into Calc II, but risk a lower GPA that first semester.

Which would be more helpful on my reapplication?
 
RyWalk said:
When reapplying, I know you have to show that you're working hard in college and actually handling the courseload well. I plan to impress ROTC leadership and also pull a really good GPA. But it gets a little tough weighing good GPA and courseload.

I took AP Calc AB in my Junior year, which is Calc I. So now my dillema is whether I should jump right into Calc II for the fall semester. What I heard from talking to a AFROTC cadet at the school is that almost no one passes Calc II on the first run. He said he got a D then retook it the next semester for a B.

So my first thought was to just take Calc I again, pass it, and hopefully have a big and shiny GPA. It wouldn't be bad as a review too, it has been a while since I've taken it. Or I could brush up on calc I from my notes and dive into Calc II, but risk a lower GPA that first semester.

Which would be more helpful on my reapplication?
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RyWalk: Your first year at college is always an adjustment. For most kids it is your worst year academically. There is a big leap in the expectations for the quality and quantity of work and while your AP class might substitute for Calc I in terms of curriculum, you still cannot replicate the rigor of a college course. That said, I would suggest that you consider an manageable first term workload. You can always ratchet it up the second term. Best to you.
 
AFAApplicant said:
We always look past the easiest solutions... a google search haha. If that is up to date then the previous thought that you had to be potentially pilot qualified to be a falcon scholar is wrong. I have heard multiple people say that though.
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Yes, as far as I can tell here, it just says "qualified". There may be others with more "less published" info who know additional qualification factors. I do know that the whole "PQ" is going around alot. I do know that no one is "PQ" . Dodmerb states POTENTIAL PQ. That is what my sons Dodmerb states. Since apparently the Falcon Foundation allows the USAFA to select the Falcon Scholars, AND the USAFA has access to DODMERB, it is not out of the realm of possiblity that one of their reqs is that the Dodmerb indicates Potential PQ. It is possible but that is all I can say on the topic! I guess that is the question....does AFA look at the Dodmerb qualification status when selecting Falcon Scholars. Or is being QNV the only "qualified" that Falcon cares about? THAT is the million dollar question that it seems everyone is trying to find an answer to! :eek:
 
vamom said:
Yes, as far as I can tell here, it just says "qualified". There may be others with more "less published" info who know additional qualification factors. I do know that the whole "PQ" is going around alot. I do know that no one is "PQ" . Dodmerb states POTENTIAL PQ. That is what my sons Dodmerb states. Since apparently the Falcon Foundation allows the USAFA to select the Falcon Scholars, AND the USAFA has access to DODMERB, it is not out of the realm of possiblity that one of their reqs is that the Dodmerb indicates Potential PQ. It is possible but that is all I can say on the topic! I guess that is the question....does AFA look at the Dodmerb qualification status when selecting Falcon Scholars. Or is being QNV the only "qualified" that Falcon cares about? THAT is the million dollar question that it seems everyone is trying to find an answer to! :eek:
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Ok so i have been beating around the bush to say this or not... But, I guess since everyone is wondering and it specifically is not state on the falcon website I will go ahead and say it. At NWP I had the privilege of meeting Gen Cubero and Gen Kelly (the old president and the new president of the falcon foundation). From what they explained about the selection process, it goes something like this:
USAFA 'suggests' those who did not get an appointment in a certain order, I am not sure if this includes those who got QNV or just a flat out NO. The falcon foundation goes through that last something like this:
Number 1 pilot qualified, send him a letter, that is one offer. Number two also is pq send another letter, thats two offers. Number 3 oh they are not pilot qualified, next on the list. Oh number 4 is pilot qualified, send them a letter, that is 3 offers.
If one is not pq they will not be eligible for a falcon foundation offer. As far as learning if you are pq is out of my knowledge. But from what I have seen and hear (from the falcon foundation) that is how it is choose.
Hope this helps.
 
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