Time to end the witch hunt

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  1. Just_A_Mom

    Just_A_Mom Member

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    http://www.armytimes.com/news/2010/03/ap_guard_pennsylvania_chaplain_accusations_031110/

     
  2. Zaphod

    Zaphod Founding Member

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    Witchhunt?

    Maybe it's time for the perverted to STFU already. :rolleyes:
     
  3. Just_A_Mom

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    Not sure what you mean by this - you a bigot?
    Who is supposed to STFU? The Chaplain who was thrown under the bus on a which hunt or his commanding officer?
     
  4. BeatNavy

    BeatNavy USMA Cadet

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    DADT is still in effect. The investigation seems to be warranted. If you want to attack DADT in general, that is a different discussion but I don't see anything wrong with this example.
     
  5. Just_A_Mom

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    Read the article.
    If the Chaplain did not tell then it is not DADT.
    The problem with DADT is how does one define "telling". If a Commanding officer goes through your personal belongings and finds evidence is that "telling".
    If your Commanding officer questions your friends, is that "telling".
    If a Commanding officer makes up and accusation and asks you to prove otherwise - is that "telling"?
     
  6. BeatNavy

    BeatNavy USMA Cadet

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    I did read the article. The commander could be lying, but his story is that it was a conversation between the two in which the chaplain said he was gay. That seems to be the definition of telling. Whether or not you believe the CO is not the issue.
     
  7. LineInTheSand

    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    "Telling" isn't the only way to "tell" in DADT. You walk out of a gay bar and someone sees you....you are caught in the act by a shipmate.....

    Really, there is far more than just "telling" with words.
     
  8. Maximus

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    Witch hunt :confused:

    Looks like they were following policy to me; unless of course the Commander is lying and as we all know, this is the only time they lie.....:shake:
     
  9. caroline

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    So a service member is not allowed under DADT to go into a gay bar without risk of this action being a way of "telling" that he/she is homosexual?
     
  10. hornetguy

    hornetguy USAFA Cadet

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    According to the UCMJ, visiting gay bars, events (parades) or even websites is not sufficient to violate DADT. The bar for proving that a service member is gay is quite higher than most seem to realize.
     
  11. Pima

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    Hornet, Off topic, but if the commander declared the bar off limits, than they will be investigated.

    In short, gay bars are typically on the commander's list of places you cannot visit. Every military member is made aware of these places when they hit the base.

    It is not about visiting and being outed, it is the base has stated you are not allowed to enter, and the commander has full rights to determine which establishment is off limits.
     
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    hornetguy USAFA Cadet

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    But that would be an investigation into violating orders. Based on the UCMJ, it is not sufficient to warrant an investigation into homosexuality.
     
  13. Pima

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    I agree, I just wanted to make sure that people understand going to a gay bar may be a violation due to the commander, which may[/b} open an OSI case regarding DADT and a military member. The OSI would have the right to investigate why they were there. Honestly, if you are caught at a bar that the commander has deemed off limits, you already placed your SELF before SERVICE. You disobeyed an order, I have no pity, since the member made a concious decision to violate an order. I could not care less if you are gay or meeting a friend who is gay, you were ordered not to enter, you took the risk. Like Hornet said it was about disobeying an order.
     
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  14. LineInTheSand

    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    All it takes is one angry individual, even an ex-partner, and it all comes crashing down (with an honorable discharge however).
     
  15. Pima

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    Bullet and I know a commander who was unceremoniously relieved of duty and shipped off base in a matter of 4 days.

    The commander was married, but there was a lot of speculation and it became an issue. He was being investigated, but since he abided by the DADT rules, the military could not move forward. The Wing King had enough, on Friday night he was the Commander, on Monday he wasn't, by Tuesday the moving trucks were pulling away from their house.
     
  16. Zaphod

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    QED.

    Not one post into it, and already the "B" word is tossed around. :yllol:
     
  17. Zaphod

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    BIGOT! BIGOT!

    :yllol::yllol::yllol:
     

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