To PPL or not to PPL

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My DS hopes to get into USAFA 2029 class. He has no flying experience, and he seems to be interested in getting his PPL while at the academy. Even if he acquired his PPL, seems like it might still be to his benefit to attend IFT to learn to fly the Air Force way. Then there is also the cost of time and money for PPL while at the academy. I guess AFCOOL is not available for cadets to pay for the nearby Aero Club?

Any thoughts on getting PPL while at academy? Or just focus on other elements while at USAFA, and apply himself at IFT and UPT when the time comes?

Thanks for your response.
 
My oldest son arrived at USAFA with zero flight hours. He did gliders and powered flight while at the Academy, but no PPL. He flies fighters now. I saw in another post of yours that he wants to fly fighters. Getting to that point is going to be influenced more by his innate flying skills than any program that he does. It’s also dependent on timing and luck.

Getting a PPL at USAFA is doable, but he will need to sacrifice time on other things to do it. It also costs money. Soaring and Powered Flight are free.
 
The only benefit that most cadets see in having the PPL prior to USAFA is that they can try out to be on the flying team. Flight hours are considered in selection but they have plenty of opportunity to do the soaring and powered flight while they are there and, you are correct, learn the Air Force way.
 
Before or after you have your PPL, recommend you take every hour of training/ opportunity to get additional flight hours of experience while at USAFA including IFT or perhaps while on AFROTC scholarship, - even before. Some options outlined below. Beyond the academies or college, you just can't control whether you will fly for the military -despite performance/ talent/interest - as noted above. Just be committed to serve as an officer even if not a pilot if going this path- you may end up serving as an officer, say Cyber, but then pursuing a commercial pilot license part-time and total hours count toward your certs.

Just for your and other reader consideration, there are programs where you can gain flight experience/ flight hours prior to attending college or a SA. Might not help a rising senior unless already in these programs like JROTC or CAP, but might help future candidates.

  • While in college:
    • Aforementioned Programs at USAFA:
    • AFROTC: There are also opportunities to gain experience while in ROTC / scholarships available (last checked it was $4000.00 to earn flight experience/ hours if selected.
  • Overall, recommend taking at least an orientation flight/ intro lesson or two in a small craft (Cessna 172 et al.) to see how you like it - not everyone who thinks they will, actually does. I had a sad conversation with a bookstore employee at a flight-centered university - he came there to be a pilot / had never flown, got a few thousand feet in the air in a cessna, panicked/ quit the program, switched to something else. Paying for a couple of flight lessons might have been a lot cheaper.
  • Confirm the specific advantage mentioned above, that getting X number of hours would bring you toward being selected for a pilot slot when near commissioning- those advantages may change/ be redefined so keep tabs on where that lands.
  • Just to reinforce that not everyone who attends USAFA ends up being a pilot. https://www.usafa.edu/the-breakdown-class-of-2023-stats/
The great majority of USAFA graduates do not have more than a PPL, most have less - getting one is not expected, One nice advantage of earning it is taking friends up for flights, flying over break, etc. all while the flight hours tally meter is running.

Post above notes the Air force way to fly. For those with prior experience, this has not been an issue for some, and yet has been an issue for others. I think humility and active listening/ attention to detail are key here to avoiding that being an issue. Through the opportunities above you can learn to fly from prior military pilots, and that's a great way to cover BOTH what you need to pass FAA checkrides AND the way to fly/ communicate to tower etc. in the military. DS spent hours "chair flying" with a military pilot, going over how to do things for the military vs civilian. Procedures, checklists, even the standard pre-flight steps. this was important as when pre-flighting with an instructor say on a 105 degree day, being able to correctly and swiftly executre pre-flight gets things off to a good start.

Hope any of that may help the communiuty - Good luck and thanks for his willingness and interest to serve.
 
Flight hours add to their PCSM (pilot candidate selection) score, but that is really the only advantage besides trying out for the flight team. A PPL in UPT adds just about zero to being successful. One of my worst students had 6000+ hours of multi, commercial, instrument time, and he was terrible. I say this with 5000 military IP hours in T-37s, T-6s, and PC-9s.
 
Any thoughts on getting PPL while at academy? Or just focus on other elements while at USAFA, and apply himself at IFT and UPT when the time comes?

It definitely isn't necessary and an overwhelming majoring of cadets do not have their PPL. That being said, I actually think it is useful to do PPL training at least up to soloing (about 12-15+ flight hours) to really get a little taste for if you love/hate being a pilot. The airmanship program at USAFA will fill that void if you don't get to it before starting at USAFA.

As far as time for get a PPL while at the academy, anything is possible for these Cadets, but my DS had time for one flight to stay current at a civilian flight school outside of actual Winter and Spring breaks during his Doolie year.

If you do end up going the full PPL route, please consider just getting it all done in 2-3 months vs spreading it out. It will cost a whole lot less.
 
As a friend of a member of the Flying Team, I would highly recommend getting the PPL if it is financially feasible, and if the goal is to become and Air Force officer and pilot. As one of the officer OICs explained to him when he was trying out, the cadets who show up to the Academy with the greatest preparation and determination to succeed and fly, often leave the Academy best prepared for pilot training, usually after participating in an airmanship program such as Soaring, Jump, or the Flying Team.

Yes, of course, there are factors which are more important and relevant to ultimate success: determination, a good attitude, and ability to work well in a team. But, airmanship experience is a very valuable ingredient for success, and should not be overlooked if the ultimate goal is to fly.
 
I cant say what is going today but traditionally everyone who medically qualifies and wants a pilot spot in the academy gets one. There have been years when they had spots they couldn't fill. If you were to go to AFRotc, i would say they should get their PPL as it can be very helpful. I dont think getting a PPL is necessary in the academy unless of course, they want the PPL for personal reasons. Having said all that, those with flight experience do have a leg up when they go to UPT although it's mainly in the initial phase when they are all flying the T-6. Once they get beyond that plane, prior flying experience plays a much smaller role as there are plenty of people with no flight experience get flighers while those with experience dont (assuming you want to fly a fighter) Things have changed since my son finished UPT in 2019 as they revamped the program with more VR time, less flight time and have gotten rid or in the process of getting rid of the T-1 (the plane they use to train for everything but fighters and bombers)
 
Does anyone know what the most flight hours you can put on a PCSM? My DS was working on his PPL but it doesn't look like he will be able to complete it before I-Day. Is it worth getting as many hours as he can before he goes to USAFA? He is at 25.5 hours now, soloed and done his cross country (with instructor). He plans on doing the soaring program at USAFA one summer. Just wondering if additional hours will help him. He's hoping for ENJJPT and wanting to set himself up as good as possible.
 
Yes, I believe up to 60 hours maximum and adds +20 PCSM. There are additions for lower hours as well, 25 hours is around half of that or something. Not sure of the the exact values but yes more hours always helps.
 
Yes, I believe up to 60 hours maximum and adds +20 PCSM. There are additions for lower hours as well, 25 hours is around half of that or something. Not sure of the the exact values but yes more hours always helps.
Thank you, he was hearing everything from 40-60, so this will help him. Any idea how many hours he gets soaring, including the solo flight?
 
Thank you, he was hearing everything from 40-60, so this will help him. Any idea how many hours he gets soaring, including the solo flight?
I’m not sure. I only know as much as the internet tells me. I do not go to USAFA but am applying.
 
Does anyone know what the most flight hours you can put on a PCSM? My DS was working on his PPL but it doesn't look like he will be able to complete it before I-Day. Is it worth getting as many hours as he can before he goes to USAFA? He is at 25.5 hours now, soloed and done his cross country (with instructor). He plans on doing the soaring program at USAFA one summer. Just wondering if additional hours will help him. He's hoping for ENJJPT and wanting to set himself up as good as possible.
Not enough time? My DS got his entire PPL the May-June before I-day. The lucky guy earned a flight scholarship. It is still April. I wouldn’t have put myself through it, but these cadets/appointees are talented and driven. You have time during Winter/Spring/Summer breaks for like three years to finish your PPL or max out your 60 hours too. I don’t think the PCSM score even cares if you have your actual PPL. It is all about hours. My C4C ran into a C2C at his flight school over spring break still increasing his hours.
 
I can attest to both of these above, and I am also a (hopeful) candidate for the class of ‘29. Aim High Flight Academy is a great way to get in flight hours/training. It’s 100% paid for by the Air Force. 12-15hrs in air, nearly twice as much in the sim (as I’ve heard). I’m attending this summer, but have heard from friends how amazing it is! It’s very competitive, roughly 100 of us were selected out of 1600 applying from around the world. Definitely a booster in training, and is helping me get my PPL. With this boost, (and if all goes to plan), I’ll be a pilot by mid-August!

Civil Air Patrol is also wonderful, I’ve been in the program for nearly two years. You get 5 powered flights; 5 glider flights; and depending on location, 5 balloon flights (these are rare). They also have a program called “Cadet Wings” that helps cadets get their licenses at a reduced cost (it takes roughly 6 months on average). Cadets also get chances to fly on military aircraft as well; I got to take a flight on a C-130 last August, and maybe in a C-5 in the next month. Definitely check it out first, to make sure it is right for him.

Definitely look at both! Both are great for working towards a PPL. If he’s really passionate about flying, start getting the PPL now (if you have the money, but tell him to look at flight scholarships)! Best of luck to your DS!
 
Not enough time? My DS got his entire PPL the May-June before I-day. The lucky guy earned a flight scholarship. It is still April. I wouldn’t have put myself through it, but these cadets/appointees are talented and driven. You have time during Winter/Spring/Summer breaks for like three years to finish your PPL or max out your 60 hours too. I don’t think the PCSM score even cares if you have your actual PPL. It is all about hours. My C4C ran into a C2C at his flight school over spring break still increasing his hours.
He didn't think he would have time while at the academy. We realize it's "only" the end of April, but he has a LOT of other commitments through the end of the school year(sports, student body president, job, volunteering at the hospital and he is involved in planning graduation for his class) so yes, time is an issue. He's not able to drop his other responsibilities and focus everything on his PPL, and his flight instructor has other students so he cannot devote all his time to my DS. He will likely just keep working on building up hours, and if he has the opportunity, get his PPL while at USAFA. Flying a plane is also a perishable skill, so long gaps between flying hours significantly delays progress, which is why you have to log 3 landings every 90 day with your PPL to carry passengers and why the FAA requires a BFR every two years. He's just wanting to set himself up good. His cousin (USAFA 2019) went to UPT and graduated without having flown a plane before she arrived in TX,
 
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Try to get your PPL before getting to USAFA or at least soloing. Some people find flying is not what they thought it was even while having a strong desire to fly.
 
Thank you, he was hearing everything from 40-60, so this will help him. Any idea how many hours he gets soaring, including the solo flight?
41 hrs for max score, anything more won’t help PCSM
 
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