Total offers from 1st AROTC board.

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  1. Jcleppe

    Jcleppe Member

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    My son just forwarded an email he received from the ROO at one of the schools he received a scholarship offer from on the first board. He did not select this school but received the email anyway. I have copied the email as written below. I thought it might be good information to share.

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    "I just received an e-mail that confirms that the board results have not yet been released for the second board. Just so you know, 460 winners were selected by the first board but only 400 of those accepted their offers. I beleive that the second board will be at least twice that number but we will have to wait and see. I will let you know as soon as I hear or see anything."
     
  2. clarksonarmy

    clarksonarmy Recruiting Operations Officer at Clarkson Army

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    that sounds reasonable, and that is a good ROO, whose doing her/his job! Keeping the troops informed.

    Thanks for sharing!
     
  3. Jcleppe

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    I agree, the ROO was great, after we traveled cross country to the school and my son met with him he took us on a long tour of the campus. My son was invited to the commissioning ceremony and the reception afterward. He answered all my son's questions, he followed up after we returned home. It was a hard decision for my son to make but he is happy with his selection. This ROO has still kept in contact, he helped us navigate the Dodmerb along with the cadre from the school he selected.

    We did find it odd with one of the other ROO's. He never contacted my son at all. When my son contacted him after his application was complete and sent to the first board, the only response he got back was a PDF on how to apply for a scholarship, we laughed. My son received word on his offer on Nov. 15th, he made his school selection on Dec.17th. Last week he received a phone call from the same ROO telling him he had been selected, when my son told him he had already selected a school the ROO just said "Oh gee I guess I'm a little late". We all got a chuckle over that.

    It just goes to show how important a good ROO is, you are not all created equal. Again thank you for all the great information you relay and all the help you give everyone here. We love reading you blog.
     
  4. patentesq

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    What blog?
     
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    Thanks, paradoxer. This blog is great!
     
  7. clarksonarmy

    clarksonarmy Recruiting Operations Officer at Clarkson Army

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    I have trained you well...thanks for the link!!!!
     
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    It really is great to have folks like Clarkson who are so willing to help those of us in the forum, even when a large majority of our kids have not applied to his school. My son has not had a lot of luck with the ROO at his first choice school; the PMS has called him and told him that he is a great candidate, and is otherwise very responsive, but the ROO has never even answered his emails. Son feels funny communicating through the PMS because he feels like he is "jumping the chain of command" and does not want to alienate the ROO and look like a suckup, but otherwise he would get no info from the school at all. Good general info from Clarkson and others really helps...
     
  9. FloridaDad

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    If they only gave 400 scholarships out as a result of the first board there is still a hell of a lot more in the pot.

    I spoke to a couple of local ROO's and one had 2 cadets for fall and the other had none thus far. Both of these programs had 18+ national scholarships last fall, plus 6 & 10 in school freshman scholarships.

    Even if there is a 25% reduction for next fall only about 10% of the scholarships have been awarded.
     
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    :biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:
    I have to smile at that one.
     
  11. FloridaDad

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    It will be interesting to see how they handle the awards this year with this delay. Many are committing to schools and accommodation already. Maybe they will just leave more on the table for in school distribution. That would also save quite a bit of money if they did more 3.5 year in school scholarships. A savings of 12.5% per award would go along way towards the 25% reduction/saving.
     
  12. paradoxer

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    Quibbler

    Might quibble with your math just a bit based on this article:
    http://www.army.mil/-news/2010/08/11/43561-army-rotc-awards-51-million-in-scholarships/

    But your point is well taken.
     
  13. FloridaDad

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    Is that national 4 years scholarships though? The local school had 18 national scholarships, 6 in school freshman scholarships, a seven returning sophomore scholarships last fall. So basically nearly half of the scholarships were not the national four year variety.

    Interesting statistic from that article: 722 had participated in JROTC. My DS JROTC unit get between 4-6 AROTC scholarships a year. Pretty impressive when you think there are well over 10,000 high schools in the US.
     
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  14. paradoxer

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    That works

    Sounds good, either type works as the end result would be the same.
     
  15. FloridaDad

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    The ROO I spoke to today said if they attend freshman orientation and ROTC classes the first semester there is a very good chance they would be offered a scholarship.
     
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    You should count out a lot of Northeast schools from that number however. There isn't a JROTC Battalion within a 100+mile radius of where I live.
     
  17. FloridaDad

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    That is why I said 10,000.....there are actually 27,468 high schools in the US. :wink:

    There actually around 1,555 Army JROTCs, and another 1,500 representing the other branches. So around 3,000 JROTC units. By rights they should account for about one cadet per four units.
     
  18. sg1fan93

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    Wow, I had no idea there were that many
     
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    The 2579 scholarships they referenced in the article are for the National 4 year and 3 year AD scholarships. The total number that commission in a given year is closer to 4500 to 5000, at least in past years. A large number of those are SMP, Green to Gold, and National Guard GRFD scholarships.

    One thing to remember is that there is an attrition rate within the first year cadets. My son's battalion has had at least 4 scholarship cadets that left the program, some were 4 year, GRFD, or SMP. 2 schoolarship winners from my son's high school class of 2009 completed their first year and then left the program. A good number of the 3 year campus scholarship that are given fill this attrition gap each year.

    Our son's PMS had indicated at the beginning of this school year that he expected the same number of scholarships to be awarded, that of course may have changed since then.

    Even if they cut back the scholarships to say 2400 this year, 400 is only 17% of that total which would leave about 2000 offers floating around out there.

    Considering that last year there were 10,276 applicants to West Point of which I am sure most applied to AROTC as a back up, and then at least double that number that apply just to AROTC, the percentage of offers is amazingly small overall. It just goes to show the caliber of the young men and women that volunteer to serve their nation through this wonderful opportunity.

    The quality of the very small percentage of applicants that post on this board is very impressive. I believe that once the results finally come out there will be a lot of those little smiley faces attached to the posts.
     
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    Here is the scholarship information I have been able to cobble together from various published articles:

    Number of 4 yr. Scholarships offered ../.. Unknown
    # 4-Year Scholarships ENROLLED ../.. 2579
    # of 3 yr. Scholarships ENROLLED ../.. est. 1000
    # of 2 yr. Scholarships ENROLLED ../.. est. 700

    # in Basic Program, no Scholarship ../.. est. 20,000
    # in Advance Prog, no scholarship ../.. unknown


    #commis FY2010 target ACTIVE ../.. 2742
    #commis FY2010 target RESERVES: ARNG and USAR ../.. 1683
    #commis FY2010 Education Delay ../.. 83

    total commissions: approx. 4,500

    Army Active Duty 16 Branch Commissions out of ROTC FY2010 - 2742 total
    #commis Air Defense Artillery ../.. 68
    #commis Adjutant Gen (HR) ../.. 139
    #commis Armor ../.. 124
    #commis Aviation ../.. 133
    #commis Bio/Rad/Nuc Chemical ../.. 53
    #commis Engineer ../.. 166
    #commis Field Artillery ../.. 178
    #commis Finance 35
    #commis Infantry ../.. 275
    #commis Intelligence ../.. 346
    #commis Military Police ../.. 94
    #commis Medical Specialist ../.. 190
    #commis Ordnance ../.. 165
    #commis Quartermaster (logistics) ../.. 152
    #commis Signal ../.. 235
    #commis Transportation ../.. 183

    Jcleppe: the linked article above specifically states: "The Army Reserve Officers' Training Corps has awarded 2,579 four-year scholarships to incoming members of the class of 2014." What I don't know is how many 3 yr. or 2 yr. on-campus scholarships are offered.

    I also do not know the offer/fill ratio, that is the Yield. If the yield is 50%, then the # of 4 year offers is 2579/50%, or 5,158. If the yield is 75%, then the # of offers is 2579/75%, or 3,439.


    Ref: Branching Data: http://www.usm.edu/armyrotc/cadet r...eaching Brief FY 11 - TQ edited.ppt#291,1,U.S Army Cadet Command
     
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