Triple Q's and LOA

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  1. summer1942

    summer1942 Member

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    I am confuse about this part, does it means that if a LOA holder passes DODMERB and CFA then he/she become triple Q's ???
     
  2. usna1985

    usna1985 USNA Alumnus

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    Yes. But you don't need an LOA to be triple Q'ed. Most candidates who are triple Q'ed don't receive LOAs.

    All candidates -- LOA or otherwise -- still need a nomination to receive an appointment.
     
  3. summer1942

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    So which one is carry more weight ? LOA or Triple Q's. In other word, do you rather get the LOA or triple Q's ?
     
  4. wiscyellowjacket

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    I think you would RATHER have an LOA because if you recieve a nomination you get an appointment, however as USNA 1985 said MOST candidates don't recieve an LOA. Triple Q is great too since you must be tripple Q'd for an appointment
     
  5. summer1942

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    Assume that you were not a LOA holder , will you receive a letter from USNA if you are triple Q's ?
     
  6. summer1942

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    If you are triple Q'ed and get a nomination then you 100% in
    If you LOA holder and get a nomination, then you also 100% in.

    Therefore I don't see any different between LOA and triple Q'ed .
     
  7. wiscyellowjacket

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    Hopefully better clarification

    You are not 100% in if you are Triple Q'ed and have a nom. Being Triple Q'ed is a prerequisite for an appointment. An LOA and Triple Qualification are not one in the same.
     
  8. Profmom2

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    Both are not true statements.

    Chances that you will get an appointment with a LOA and Nomination are extremely high, however you still could be denied an appointment if you never clear medical. LOA's are not dependent on you being medically qualified. My son got his LOA well before he was cleared medically - he was medically denied at first.

    Triple Q'd just means that you are medically, scholastically and physically qualified. If there are other stronger candidates in your nominating pool and the Academy cannot take from that far down the slate, then you will not get an appointment even though you are 3Q'd with a nomination.

    Unfortunately, USNA did not report their statistics the same as they have in past years, however for the class of 2012 there were 3,838 Applicants with nominations, 2,196 applicants that were 3Q'd and 1,537 offers of appointments.

    For the Class of 2011: 3,827 nominations, 1,893 3Q'd and 1419 offers of appointments.

    For the Class of 2010: 3,751 nominations, 1,888 3Q'd and 1510 offers of appointments.
     
  9. aglages

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    75% of 3Q'd were appointed?
    80% of 3Q'd were appointed?

    Just to be sure that I'm understanding the above numbers and the process:
    Is it safe to say that in order to receive an appointment to the USNA you must be 3Q'd, but all the applicants that are 3 Q'd do not get appointments? How can you receive an appointment without being 3Q'd (and of course nominated)?
     
  10. dpt135

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    I was amazed to hear on these threads that so many of the LOA's only had transcripts and ACT/SAT scores turned in. I definitely would have thought their whole app would have been reviewed. So much for the whole candidate scoring. I guess USNA wants to jump on the super smart first and then hope the other areas fall into place.
     
  11. peskemom

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    For LOA's it's not a matter of 'jumping on the super smart' - it's a matter of the USNA Admissions idea of the type of Class they want to build from the bottom up. They look for the Ivy-League type for LOA's, but highly recruited athletes also fall into this category. They consider unusual abilities in science already demonstrated, for example - that might indicate the Navy's interest.
    The point is there that unless you sit on the AD Board making decisions - from the outside looking in we all feel like we are looking at the closed curtain in the Wizard of Oz....

    However anyone who has an LOA (and my '10 girl got one first month of her senior year of high school) will assure you that an LOA is THE TICKET for as close to a 'guarantee' as you can get.

    A QQQ is what everyone has to meet. An LOA is what approximately 200 applications are granted.

    'nuf said....

    and good luck to all the incoming applicants for the Class of 2015/6!!!!!
     
  12. jumprope_11

    jumprope_11 USNA 2015

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    you can't. in order to receive an appointment you MUST be 3Q'ed. An LOA is very different from 3Q'ed. When you are 3Q'ed the academy is saying that you have met the requirements for acceptance (academicly, CFA, DoDMERB ) with the exception of a nomination.
     
  13. usna1985

    usna1985 USNA Alumnus

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    To TRY to make things clear. . . :smile:

    If you have an LOA and are otherwise qualified (medical, CFA) AND receive a nom from any source, you are guaranteed an appointment.

    If you have an LOA and are medically and physically qualified and do NOT get a nom on your own, you probably won't receive an appointment. I have seen cases where USNA will give you a Supe's nom or a nom from some other source, but I've also seen cases (including last year) in which an LOA recipient did not get a nom and did NOT get an appointment.

    If you have an LOA but are NOT medically or physically (CFA) qualified, you won't get an appointment regardless of whether or not you have a nom.

    If you are Triple Q'ed (no LOA) AND have a nom, you are eligible to compete for an appointment. The majority of those who are Triple Q'ed and have at least one nom will receive an appointment. A sizable minority will not, simply b/c there are more qualified candidates than there are slots.

    If you are not Triple Q'ed, you won't get an appointment, even with a nom. If your deficiency is academic, you will automatically be considered for NAPS/Foundation. You do NOT need a nom to be accepted into NAPS/Foundation.

    Finally, all offers of appointment are contingent upon remaining medically qualified and basically not doing something really stupid (drugs, drunk driving, etc.).

    I hope this helps and doesn't confuse everyone even more.:confused::smile:
     
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    75% Appointment rate.
    80% Appointment rate.
    I'd say 75-80% is a sizable majority that does receive an appointment.
    Anyone know how many (%) candidates that receive a LOA end up not being 3Q'd and receiving a nomination?
     
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    usna1985. Thank you for that thread. It explains alot in very clear terms.
     
  16. usna1985

    usna1985 USNA Alumnus

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    Never seen those figures published. Last year, I had an LOA candidate with a nom not be medically qualified and thus not receive an appointment. I also had an LOA candidate who was medically and CFA qualified, but without a nom, not get an appointment. However, I can't tell you how common either situation is.

    Why do some LOA candidates not get noms? Two theories (and they are only my personal opinion, nothing more).

    First, some candidates receive LOAs based solely on the "numbers" (SATs, transcripts, etc.). They may be dweebs -- basically, individuals lacking social skills, unmotivated, etc. Thus, when they go for an interview with their MOC, the committee is not impressed and doesn't give them the nom.

    Second, while most MOCs like to give noms to LOA candidates, I've heard anecdotally that a few figure that USNA will "find" a nom for an LOA candidate and thus don't want to "waste" one of theirs on someone they think will be admitted anyway. As noted above, that's faulty logic and USNA doesn't support that perception, officially or unofficially, as far as I know. However, MOCs can do whatever they want and may (mistakenly) believe that they can actually increase the number of candidates who have a shot at an appt by giving their noms to non-LOA recipients.

    Again, just my opinion on the above.
     
  17. aglages

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    Do the majority of LOA recipients receive their LOAs before they are 3Q'd?
    Anyone know what percentage of applicants fail to pass DoDMERB or the CFA?
    If you really can't fail the CFA then why is it considered one of the "Q"s to be 3 Q'd?
    Thanks.
     
  18. hawk

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    • If you have an LOA, you need to work your file until you are 3Q.
    • If you do not have an LOA, you need to work your file until you are 3Q.
    :smile:

    The only difference between the two is that the LOA holder should receive an appointment as soon as 3Q and get's a nomination.

    Where the non-LOA will still have to compete via WCS once they are 3Q with nom.

    Remember, LOA's are by definition missing something, otherwise they'd most likely be a direct offer as I understand it. Seems like nearly all are missing nom, but many also missing medical, cfa, or parts of the file. (Essay's, teacher recommendation, etc)

    I'm just a parent of a candidate, but it seems to to be that simple. You have to become 3Q no matter what!
     
  19. jumprope_11

    jumprope_11 USNA 2015

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    1. There are several factors. Depends on how good their stats are. Depends how long they wait to submit CFA scores. Depends how quickly they complete DoDMERB evaluation and are processed.

    2. you most certainly can "fail" the CFA. I believe they just don't necessarily brodcast a specific number for each event. In addition, at summer seminar we were told that if you "fail" a single event in the CFA then you automatically do not qualify physically. Now obviously you are able to retake the CFA and resubmit your scores or simply not submit scores for a bad test day.
     
  20. WestTexasmom

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    3 Q'd

    Will candidates receive a letter once they are 3 Q'd? If so, when might those letters start arriving for those who have completed their files?
     

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