Triple Qualified w/ Nomination

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  1. WestPoint2017

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    Is it true that if you are triple qualified and have a nomination, you have a 70% chance of getting in? I have seen it displayed on multiple forums and websites. Thanks everyone.
     
  2. tug_boat

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    Vegas Baby!

    I always tell my guys I have a 50/50 chance of winning the latto. I'm either going to win, or going to lose! Don't stress yourself out playing the numbers game. We could sit here and argue for hours, some have an advantage over others. Some say admissions uses a ouija board to make selections. The only thing you have control over is the things that you can improve on, test scores, CFA, on and on. When the appointments are made it is stunning to see the resumes of the incoming class. Then you say wow. Now I know what to improve on for next year. You must understand, very few go directly from high school to WP. And those who do really struggle to maintain academics, sports and training. Many who do make it will be their second, third and fourth time applying with prep school, college, military, life experience behind them now. They have become more well rounded.

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  3. WestPoint2017

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    Haha I need to find a way to get that ouija board! Thanks, I ask because I am now triple qualified!
     
  4. tug_boat

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    This is the tough part....

    I know exactly what you are going through. My DS was 3Q'd w/nom last year and was QNS. This year he is reapplying again. This is the tough part waiting for February.


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  5. WestPoint2017

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    Oh ok, if you don't mind me asking how were his statistics in comparison to mine? Best of luck to him this year!
     
  6. tug_boat

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    I knew you would ask that.

    In my opinion, comparing yourself to others is not a good judgement on how you will do. I don't think it is fair for you to do that. WP chooses to fill out a well rounded class that has diversity. WP is designed to develop front line officers is the Army, period. What is more important is to ask yourself have I done the best, the very best that I can. And sometimes your very best doesn't make it. Thats life. Thats the school of hard knocks that I have a masters degree in.

    Prepare yourself in the event you don't get selected. How much do you want to attend WP? Will you apply again? How can I stand out or prepare myself for a second attempt? These are question you, and only you must ask the man in the mirror.

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  7. tug_boat

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    A Few Things...

    My DS is an Eagle Scout with three palms. He was also awarded a Life Saving Award he received. (Just being in the right place at the right time, just luck) His MOC seemed to focus on that event as well as his RC. He also received a Civil Prep Scholarship. How and why he was chosen, I don't know. But his is attending a Prep School now.
     
  8. WestPoint2017

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    That Prep School you mentioned looks very intriguing, once again thanks for the input.
     
  9. danwild17

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    If I got a letter of encouragement and a presidential nomination, my chances of being accepted are relatively good, correct?
     
  10. WestPoint2017

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    Yeah you are on the right track! What do your test scores, CFA and extracurriculars look like?
     
  11. GoArmyBeatNavy

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    I believe they had more people who were qualified but not selected (QNS ~ triple qualified with nom and not selected) than were brought into the class of 2016.
     
  12. WestPoint2017

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    Wow, okay thanks. The academies truly are the best of the best!
     
  13. dlee96

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    There was a really good post a while back with official tables of percentages of accepted applicants. For Caucasians and Asians it was around 75%, and a bit higher for URMS (forgot those percentages)
     
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    Dan posted some info in a different thread, and his application looked good.

    But, I still hear of very highly qualified kids that don't make it into SA's, and I just don't get that.
     
  15. tug_boat

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    Not the best...

    It is interesting, how the more well rounded applicant fairs better. Its not the best. This is why you must get a 3Q'd with an nom. Not many other schools look for this type of foundation. Some of the Ivy leagues go for the highest SAT and ACT score. SA looks for diversity, not just color.


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    Yes, I remember that post, which had a link to an Alumni Association type of website where the table was found.

    I can't find it now. From memory, the % of Appointed from the national pool of 3Q with Nom (which I think was around 3,000) was about:

    African American Male: 95%
    African American Female: 90%
    Causcasion Male: 40%
    Caucasion Female: 45%
    Hispanic/Asian male/female combined -- about 60%

    Maybe my memory is off... sometimes I confuse 3Q with Nom with simply 3Q. I wish I could find that table now. It was posted about nine months ago, I think.
     
  17. armydaughter

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    is this the one?

    http://www.serviceacademyforums.com/showthread.php?t=27778

    The percentages are in Appendix D

    There is also this line in Appendix B

     
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    Thanks, that report supplied some great stats. Would anyone happen to have access to data on the percentage of USMAPS grads that graduate USMA?
     
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    Several ways a very highly qualified applicant don't make it

    highly qualified does not equal fully qualified. An applicant could have 2100 SAT, great leadership activities, and varity sports, but if medically disqualifed and no waiver, he or she won't get in.

    Same applicant but decided to apply in December and missed the nomination application deadlines. No nomination, no chance of an appointment

    Same applicant, but only a MOC nomination, another applicant in his MOC is better, and don't make the national waiting list due to timing
     
  20. buff81

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    28% of those admitted to West Point do not come directly from high school. So I wouldn't say that 'very few go directly from high school to WP' since 72% do.

    I also wouldn't go so far as saying that the 72% direct admits 'really struggle to maintain academics, sports and training.' You're implying that the non-direct admits are better able to handle the rigors of West Point than the direct admits.
     

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