Two boys from the same town?

[irishtrack]

i go to a high school with 650 people. there are 156 seniors. so far, one has

been appointed to the air force academy, another has recieved a nomination

to the AFA, still another has recieved an appointment to the Naval Academy,

another has a recieved a LOA to the Naval Academy and 3 others have been

nominated to the Naval academy.

 

[PositiveThinking]

I think having all the twins at USNA, as well as multiple people in the same high school getting appointments, is all great - but what about the geographic diversity that we've been told USNA is striving for? This doesn't seem to fall in line with that goal.
My guess would be that they are not as concerned with geographic diversity within the congressional district as among the congressional districts.

 

[harmi]

I am kind of confused...how did the MOC's have so many openings for the academies? Especially for one school/area? We have 5 nominees for our MOC from our area for USNA(granted, none from same school, just neighboring areas)...none are principle...wondering who and how they(USNA) will choose...

 

[Mom1315]

more twins

Actually I believe it's 5 sets of twins in 2013 (including my identical sons), and there is another 2013 USNA plebe whose twin is at USMA.

There is another 2013 USNA plebe whose twin brother is at USCGA!

 

[usna1985]

I think having all the twins at USNA, as well as multiple people in the same high school getting appointments, is all great - but what about the geographic diversity that we've been told USNA is striving for? This doesn't seem to fall in line with that goal.
My guess would be that they are not as concerned with geographic diversity within the congressional district as among the congressional districts.

USNA is still taking the most qualified people. The goal of geo diversity is to get more people applying/attending from underrepresented districts. If you're starting from 0 or 1, even increasing applications 300% only means 3 people, not 300. It's not as if USNA is suddenly going to start admitting 300 students from Montana.

It doesn't happen overnight and it doesn't mean that USNA still won't admit the majority of its students from overrepresented districts, so to speak. It also doesn't mean that USNA is not going to admit two highly qualified individuals just b/c they live in the same district, go to the same school, are twins, etc.

 

[usna1985]

I am kind of confused...how did the MOC's have so many openings for the academies? Especially for one school/area? We have 5 nominees for our MOC from our area for USNA(granted, none from same school, just neighboring areas)...none are principle...wondering who and how they(USNA) will choose...

It's not unusual for the MOCs in our area to get 5-8 of the nominees appointed. The others are assigned to the President, SecNav (to whom most kids from the "general pool" are assigned but to whom you can't apply for a nom), the Supe or the VP.

 

[harmi]

WHEW...started to sweat with this subject. Anyone know if there is a benefit of 2 noms instead of one...son has a MOC and a Senator nom....just curious...if he dosen't get an appointment from one noms slate for the USNA, will they consider him for the other nom slate? How does that work?

 

[mmb5]

That's exactly how they work; multiple nominations give the Academy a little more flexibility in fitting your son into the jigsaw puzzle.

 

[harmi]

That's exactly how they work; multiple nominations give the Academy a little more flexibility in fitting your son into the jigsaw puzzle.

Thanks...I was certainly hoping that was the issue...otherwise, why seek more than one nom? Here's hoping the "LUCK O' THE IRISH" is with him during the selection process!!

 

[grtkidmom]

Nomination puzzle. I have followed this site for 4 weeks and still dont understand the nomination puzzle.

Senator 1 awarded son USNA nomination. Senator 2 interview went well, however son received ltr stating congrats on receiving nomination from
Senator 1 and to avoid duplication he would not be offering a nom.

Our MOC interviews 3-4 wks after senators and he specifically requested we notify his office before interview if candidate received nom for other sources. He stated in did not want to issue duplicate nominations.

Son did the right thing and notified MOC. MOC responded with congrats and tactfully informed son, no interview because he has nom form senator.

BGO response was.....don't worry only one nomination is required. In reading this site it appears multiple nominations opens more options for appointments.

I know and can hear it already; nomination is only one part of candidates score. If score is competitive with nomination, 2, 3 or 4 nominations do not help.-----True or False

 

[usna1985]

^^^^

In states/districts where MOCs will give candidates more than one nom to the same SA, yes, it can help b/c it gives USNA more flexibility in slotting the candidate and showed (in some cases) that he/she competed well against his/her peers in securing the nom. However, in many areas, MOCs won't do it - they will get together and only give one nom per SA (or maybe even one nom to any SA) to any one candidate. If you don't tell them you got another nom, they're still going to check with the other MOCs before submitting their slate and then find out. Being honest and forthcoming is always the best practice!

USNA has a very good sense of which states/districts will and won't give multiple noms. Thus, if you're in an area where it doesn't happen, it won't hurt you to get only one nom b/c everyone only gets one. If you're in an area where MOCs will give multiple noms, getting more than one can help you a bit but only getting one nom doesn't hurt you.

Hope that makes sense.

 

[grtkidmom]

Thank you USNA 1985. Your input is very helpful to all of us.

 

[harmi]

^^^^

In states/districts where MOCs will give candidates more than one nom to the same SA, yes, it can help b/c it gives USNA more flexibility in slotting the candidate and showed (in some cases) that he/she competed well against his/her peers in securing the nom. However, in many areas, MOCs won't do it - they will get together and only give one nom per SA (or maybe even one nom to any SA) to any one candidate. If you don't tell them you got another nom, they're still going to check with the other MOCs before submitting their slate and then find out. Being honest and forthcoming is always the best practice!

USNA has a very good sense of which states/districts will and won't give multiple noms. Thus, if you're in an area where it doesn't happen, it won't hurt you to get only one nom b/c everyone only gets one. If you're in an area where MOCs will give multiple noms, getting more than one can help you a bit but only getting one nom doesn't hurt you.

Hope that makes sense.

Got it!

Our Senators only give ONE nomination between the two of them, they do share who they nominated with each other, son was informed by letter that he would not get Senator A's nom because they were aware that Senator B already nominated him...(he was one of 40 nominees for the 5 Service academies out of 300 + interviews, and that was the one he was awarded!!) so, when they say the competition is stiff this year, believe me, it is...however, our Congressman also nominated him...

My son feels honored to of been nominated by one, let alone 2...no matter the outcome of the Appointment process! Heres hoping good news is around the corner for everyone!!

 

[usna2012mom]

I am kind of confused...how did the MOC's have so many openings for the academies? Especially for one school/area? We have 5 nominees for our MOC from our area for USNA(granted, none from same school, just neighboring areas)...none are principle...wondering who and how they(USNA) will choose...

MOCs can have five mids (charged to them) at the Academy at a time. They can, however, nominate 10 per opening. If your MOC has one opening, he can nominate up to 10. If he has two openings, he can nominate 20. The Academy will decide which is charged to the MOC. All appointees must have a nomination, but not all appointments are charged to the MOC.

 

[Magikeys]

Thank you! I asked that question (how many midshipman per MOC) on another thread. I have three nominations and am hoping that improves my chances in my state, even if only slightly. I've been doing all kinds of mental calculations like how much overlap is there in noms in my state; how does that affect my chances; etc. This is a piece of the puzzle that will help with further calculations. The things I do with my time and my nerves while I wait to hear from the academy...

 

[Memphis9489]

I think having all the twins at USNA, as well as multiple people in the same high school getting appointments, is all great - but what about the geographic diversity that we've been told USNA is striving for? This doesn't seem to fall in line with that goal.
My guess would be that they are not as concerned with geographic diversity within the congressional district as among the congressional districts.

There is no requirement (nor any effort that I'm aware of) to ensure there is geographic diversity WITHIN congressional districts or within the state. The FACT of the matter is that many of the best high schools are in concentrated areas. I know that is VERY true for Tennessee.

My sons were nominated by Representative Marsha Blackburn who has a very oddly configured district (7th) that runs from an area south and north of Nashville, along I-40, extending to just east of Memphis. My guess is that a vast majority of nominees come from the Nashville area and the Memphis area, and very few from the communities in between. It's tough to be competitive when you're from Crump, Tennessee, with a graduating class of 34, where one's only choice for an extracurricular activity is to be in the 4H Club and the high school guidance counselor is also the gym teacher.

http://blackburn.house.gov/District/map.htm

 

[1964BGO]

For the second time in 5 years we have a school with four LOAs. The problem of getting all of them in is Admissions, and I am comfortable that it will accomplish the task - again.

For most of you participating in these discussions, please be aware that until recently USNA did not issue this number of LOAs. Also be aware that as the cycle heats up there will be many candidates who will get offers without receiving LOAs - it used to be referred to as OBE (Overtaken By Events). LOAs are used primarily early in the cycle - late summer, fall, and early winter before the candidates have time or opportunity to get noms and physicals accomplished; their use after Jan is fairly rare as most serious candidates have completed their files. REMEMBER - keep your file updated!

 

[nsiderbam]

I just found out today that another kid from my school has been accepted to USNA, and I was quite surprised as he isn't involved in athletics or school leadership. But obviously nobody gets into a SA by doing nothing so I'm sure he has things going for him. He was talking about some program or something though where you wait a year after high school before you actually go to the academy...or something like that.

Aside from that, I also know of three others who are also going to USNA from my city (Las Vegas).

 

[marciemi]

For the second time in 5 years we have a school with four LOAs. The problem of getting all of them in is Admissions, and I am comfortable that it will accomplish the task - again.

Amazing to read about things like this, compared to my son's high school (WI) with an average graduating class of around 450, he is the first person to go to an academy since 1983 (WP) and the first to go to AF since 1964. Never had anyone attend Navy in their history.

 

[1964BGO]

nsider: Your classmate is talking about receiving an offer either to Naval Academy Prep School or a Naval Academy Foundation scholarship to a civilian prep school. These offers are controlled by the Admissions Board and are offered to candidates it wants to get into USNA but with an extra year of education, training, etc (aka "seasoning"). These are excellent alternatives to a direct appointment as those who accept the offers and meet the criteria actually do enter the following year. Also, these young men and women have compiled an excellent track record at USNA. What makes these offers so attractive is the fact that the recipients already have passed the Admissions screening.