Uniform Dispute : Petty or Justified?

Great BS session! Would be a heck of a lot more fun over a few beers.

As tpg correctly points out, Title 10 of the U.S. Code defines the role, mission, and organization of each military service. 'nuff said.

I assume everyone taking Zorph to task has "been there and done that." Otherwise, you opinion isn't worth the time it took to present it.

Zorph, we appreciate the enthusiasm and spirit but until you have earned your EGA, its best not to enter into these debates.

My editorial comment: I believe that a study of US Army history will show MemberLG that the Army is not, in fact, capable of doing everything the USMC can do (at least not as well)

Carry on!
 
USMCGrunt said:
Great BS session! Would be a heck of a lot more fun over a few beers.

As tpg correctly points out, Title 10 of the U.S. Code defines the role, mission, and organization of each military service. 'nuff said.

I assume everyone taking Zorph to task has "been there and done that." Otherwise, you opinion isn't worth the time it took to present it.

Zorph, we appreciate the enthusiasm and spirit but until you have earned your EGA, its best not to enter into these debates.

My editorial comment: I believe that a study of US Army history will show MemberLG that the Army is not, in fact, capable of doing everything the USMC can do (at least not as well)

Carry on!
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Yeah someday the Army will learn how to do amphibious assaults....(someday happened in WWII)...
 
scoutpilot said:
Yeah someday the Army will learn how to do amphibious assaults....(someday happened in WWII)...
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On another note why is the general populace or even those who know a bit about WW2 oblivious to the fact that the Army played a large role in the Pacific Theatre. Many many amphibious assaults were made by the Army besides the big ones at D-Day/North Africa/Italy.
 
USMCGrunt said:
Great BS session! Would be a heck of a lot more fun over a few beers.

As tpg correctly points out, Title 10 of the U.S. Code defines the role, mission, and organization of each military service. 'nuff said.

I assume everyone taking Zorph to task has "been there and done that." Otherwise, you opinion isn't worth the time it took to present it.

Zorph, we appreciate the enthusiasm and spirit but until you have earned your EGA, its best not to enter into these debates.

My editorial comment: I believe that a study of US Army history will show MemberLG that the Army is not, in fact, capable of doing everything the USMC can do (at least not as well)

Carry on!
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Title 10 describes SOME of each military service. 14 U.S.C. 1 describes the other.

And yes, it's probably safe to say all of the vets and AD guys don't exactly appreciate the NROTC midshipman lecturing them... pretty safe to say.
 
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On the original topic of uniforms: I am more interested in well functioning gear than individuality. Many of us suffered through the days where GAO and uniform boards selected the lowest bidder and put out terrible gear. Boots that were worse than the cheapest pair available in stores. Uniform with stitching that couldn't hold up to missions.

Find the best gear and put everyone in it.
 
GoArmyBeatNavy said:
Nowhere, rhetoric is just the art of arguing. I do have an issue with the cadet's concept of taking offense as a form of rhetoric.
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Didn't quite word my comment the way I intended, a poor result of multi tasking.

I do agree with your statement.
 
It seems like a pretty shameless waste of money for each service to try and find its own "individuality" with new utility uniforms. I would have thought that was what service dress was for. Also I wasn't yet on active duty at the time, but as far as I could tell, world didn't end when the services wore the old BDU pattern.

If the Army does go toward MARPAT as the OP's article suggests, I don't think Marines should be upset about losing any of their "individuality". Its not as if soldiers are going to walk around just hoping for people to assume they're Marines. Rather I think the USMC (and the rest of America) should be more upset at the tons of money that the Army/Navy/Air Force have wasted in this run around.
 
Army should go back to these uniforms

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NorwichDad said:
These seem to be the best Marine Uniforms

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Shazam!
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Interestingly enough- the actor who played GySgt Carter in the show "Gomer Pyle USMC" (Frank Sutton) was an Army veteran who made 14 assault landings in the Pacific Theater including Leyte, Luzon, Bataan, and Corregidor and earned a Bronze Star and Purple Heart. "Gawley!"
 
What I find frustrating about the entire mess is that MARPAT is based on CADPAT and was developed with assistance from the Canadian Department of Defence. When approached by the Marines, the Canadians shared research that went into CADPAT and hooked them up with the manufacturers that produced it.

It's irritating that there seems to be more cooperation with another nation (albeit a close ally) than with other branches of the US military.
 
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Wasn't my intention to start a discussion about the relevance of the Marine Corps. The title of the thread was "Uniform dispute - petty or justified." I think the responses show it's petty and why it's happening.

If the MARPAT is the best uniform, the Army should have just adapted it and the Marine Corps should have let the Army adapt it. The most important thing is providing the best camouflage for young Americans serving in our military, not whatever.
 
MemberLG said:
If the MARPAT is the best uniform, the Army should have just adapted it and the Marine Corps should have let the Army adapt it. The most important thing is providing the best camouflage for young Americans serving in our military, not whatever.
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100% AGREE!
 
MemberLG said:
Wasn't my intention to start a discussion about the relevance of the Marine Corps. The title of the thread was "Uniform dispute - petty or justified." I think the responses show it's petty and why it's happening.

If the MARPAT is the best uniform, the Army should have just adapted it and the Marine Corps should have let the Army adapt it. The most important thing is providing the best camouflage for young Americans serving in our military, not whatever.
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That certainly seems to be the consensus here. The sad thing is that there are those in the Chain of Command who could easily resolve this issue, but apparently haven't.
 
I have always thought the MARPAT varieties were heads and tails better than the Army ACUs ( although the new Multicam seems like a great improvement for A-Stan). As I walk around in my ACUs, I can't help but ponder once in a while, "What in the hell were they thinking?".

Not to mention the quality of the ACUs dramtically varies with the vendor. I've had some of the pockets completely rip out during training, colors fade to fluorescent even with the right detergent and Velcro fall apart after minimal use. The sad thing is a complete set on base costs about $100 bucks too. Luckily newer sets I've seen have gotten rid of the Velcro and incorporated buttons instead which solves the cargo pockets have stuff randomly fall out.
 
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