Cotton&Alligators
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Thanks for sharing. The two sound familar. The money issue is what bothers me. Our plan is for him to get out of college with a degree in hand with no debt. Much to think about.
Update on disenrollment from NROTC
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Gojira -- this is the first time I read that your son was out of compliance because of excessive muscle mass, rather than fat.
The military uses height/weight charts, and as a backup, the tape measure test. Both are gross approximations of body fat %. It seems a shame your son owes over $150,000 payback, and was denied a commission, based upon tests that don't properly measure body fat %.
Are you certain that your attorney cannot appeal to the Naval command to have your son's actual body fat % measured?
The military uses height/weight charts, and as a backup, the tape measure test. Both are gross approximations of body fat %. It seems a shame your son owes over $150,000 payback, and was denied a commission, based upon tests that don't properly measure body fat %.
Are you certain that your attorney cannot appeal to the Naval command to have your son's actual body fat % measured?
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Dunninla,
Gojira hired an attorney and their appeal went up to SecNav. Military attorneys are expensive. Plus, the start of their case was over two years ago, decision was about now in 12. The thread started 18 months ago just to update the final cost he would be incurring.
Gojira hired an attorney and their appeal went up to SecNav. Military attorneys are expensive. Plus, the start of their case was over two years ago, decision was about now in 12. The thread started 18 months ago just to update the final cost he would be incurring.
No more appeals for son, dunninla. It is a lost cause.
Being able to bench press his roommate wasn't part of the tape measure test. Because he didn't meet the normal standard for height and weight, he was taped. He was always a stockier kid to begin with.
Fries were not his problem in terms of weight. Nor was PT.
If you are a man or a woman who already is on edge for height and weight, this will always be a big deal. Navy changed standards for weight waivers in 2010. As in, no weight waivers.
You can be heavier than the person next to you of the same height, based on muscle and bone density. The military/ROTC should reassess this standard.
I think my kid broke a rule in senior year, the Navy et al was told to cut back by command to save money across all branches of service, and it was convenient to cut him loose.
The federal government has deeper pockets than I do. No more military lawyer for us.
Being able to bench press his roommate wasn't part of the tape measure test. Because he didn't meet the normal standard for height and weight, he was taped. He was always a stockier kid to begin with.
Fries were not his problem in terms of weight. Nor was PT.
If you are a man or a woman who already is on edge for height and weight, this will always be a big deal. Navy changed standards for weight waivers in 2010. As in, no weight waivers.
You can be heavier than the person next to you of the same height, based on muscle and bone density. The military/ROTC should reassess this standard.
I think my kid broke a rule in senior year, the Navy et al was told to cut back by command to save money across all branches of service, and it was convenient to cut him loose.
The federal government has deeper pockets than I do. No more military lawyer for us.
I rarely check here anymore, but wanted to let you know that DFAS is again asking for original amount of payment after my son negotiated for a longer payment plan.
Again seeking $4000 a month.
Sent off paperwork and hope it goes back to original lowered rate of $1200 a month.
It is ridiculous. I honestly do not think my son would be nearly as stressed if he were in a combat role on active duty than trying to manage this unbelievable debt. Because...he expected that. This outcome was not expected. Ever.
2 1/2 years after disenrollment, and he still is reeling from this.
Again seeking $4000 a month.
Sent off paperwork and hope it goes back to original lowered rate of $1200 a month.
It is ridiculous. I honestly do not think my son would be nearly as stressed if he were in a combat role on active duty than trying to manage this unbelievable debt. Because...he expected that. This outcome was not expected. Ever.
2 1/2 years after disenrollment, and he still is reeling from this.
Gojira,
It occurs to me that you lost the legal appeal, but there is another avenue... the court of public opinion.
I'm not sure where you live, but your experience would be compelling to readers or TV viewers, and some reporter out there would run with it.
Once it airs, then public opinion might force SecNav to reevaluate its position with regard to your son. There is nothing to lose at this point, is there? Don't forget this is a country and not a colony of England because people decided they didn't want to be taken advantage of by a government starving for money due to war debt, in which they had no voice. Public opinion then said No More. Americans still have that spirit 250 years later.
It occurs to me that you lost the legal appeal, but there is another avenue... the court of public opinion.
I'm not sure where you live, but your experience would be compelling to readers or TV viewers, and some reporter out there would run with it.
Once it airs, then public opinion might force SecNav to reevaluate its position with regard to your son. There is nothing to lose at this point, is there? Don't forget this is a country and not a colony of England because people decided they didn't want to be taken advantage of by a government starving for money due to war debt, in which they had no voice. Public opinion then said No More. Americans still have that spirit 250 years later.
That is horrible, how in the world do they expect anyone to make $4000.00 per month payments right out of college.
Did the notice give any explanation, were you required to re-submit a request to reinstate the original agreement.
Just a question, was the original agreement of $1200.00 per month signed off by all parties involved, if so how in the world can they come back now and change the payment amount.
I truly hope your able to resolve this, I can only imagine the stress this is putting on your son and your family.
Did the notice give any explanation, were you required to re-submit a request to reinstate the original agreement.
Just a question, was the original agreement of $1200.00 per month signed off by all parties involved, if so how in the world can they come back now and change the payment amount.
I truly hope your able to resolve this, I can only imagine the stress this is putting on your son and your family.
Gojira, I agree with dunninla. The Navy spends tens of millions of dollars on advertising. They have a brand to protect and do not want to tarnish it. This story, if it gets out to the general public, would cast the Navy in a very poor light and may put some much needed pressure on some folks. I would encourage you to reach out to 20/20, 60 minutes,Dateline. It's not like it can get much worse right? Good luck.
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I was going through my daughter's Student Loan Exit Counseling tonight with her and we were reviewing the various payment plans and by far they are more generous than the "loan" that is being asked to be repaid here...
Fortunately, my daughter made her official taping (by 2") this week. We were sweating it a bit because the unofficial taping they did earlier this term had her failing (resulting in counseling) because they had a different visiting enlisted who did the taping (no female cadre). This particular person did not accurately identify my daughter's waist (from the Army's specs) as the narrowest place below the bottom of the rib cage.
This episode reinforced the arbitrary "bad luck" element that can claim otherwise well-performing cadets and trap them in this financial hell-hole. Definitely kept her focused on the measurement management the rest of the term, but quite frankly, it didn't make her a better soldier.
Lots of stupid things here...