US Cannot Sit Idly By

beatkp said:
Back to North Korea, if Kim Il-sung wants to come across the 36th parallel, then come on down to the unwelcome arms of 700,000 regular ROK’s, 4,500,000 ROK trained reserves, 26,000 ROK Marines, 36,000 8th Army personal, 8th Air force, two Patriot battalions ready to shoot down any bottle rocket they shoot up, two Divisions worth of highly maintained Heavy Mobile Equipment just ready for bodies to work them and a wide open ocean so the Pacific Fleet can maneuver in. Sort of beats the 40 tanks, 18 planes and a hand full of troops we held them up with the first time.
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I'm not sure the folks who fought that war would agree with your last statement. It was pretty ugly there for a bit, especially when the peace-loving Chinese decided to make their presence known.

Also, the Pacific is hardly wide open around Korea. Japan is in the way, China off to one side, and Russia to the other. I'd hate to be standing AAWC on Red Crown in that area...
 
No just an ordinary middle american who has seen my country slowly be torn apart. We are at a point were reconciliation is slipping away. The difference is I see the the fracture in our national fabric. I lived in the Bay Area for several years an observed the intolerance of any opinion other then the "Progressive one". We are at a tipping point and the country is evenly divided (see the last two national elections). People on both sides talk past each other not to each other.

That said the political environment created by scorcthed earth democrats is so posioned I believe the real possibility of civil unreat exists.
 
Last statement I was refering to the couple of small arm US Divisions and weak South Korean forces that that valiantly held off the North Koreans juggernaut around Pusan until McArthur arrived.
 
ds52262 said:
No just an ordinary middle american who has seen my country slowly be torn apart. We are at a point were reconciliation is slipping away. The difference is I see the the fracture in our national fabric. I lived in the Bay Area for several years an observed the intolerance of any opinion other then the "Progressive one". We are at a tipping point and the country is evenly divided (see the last two national elections). People on both sides talk past each other not to each other.

That said the political environment created by scorcthed earth democrats is so posioned I believe the real possibility of civil unreat exists.
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Well, while you and I definitely have similar opinions of Democrats, "progressives", Socialists, and Communists (sorry for the stutter), I don't think we've reached that tipping point yet. I also think that the general population isn't as dumb as the other side thinks or wishes they are. One item of proof is the fact that, despite glorious press coverage and the careful knitting of a messiah-like persona, Obama is still barely keeping ahead of McCain.

It seems to me that the best way for the world to react to this Russian attack is to respond the way they fear most: Make Poland, Ukrain, Georgia, et al, part of NATO immediately. Beyond that and air cover, I just don't see us putting troops on the ground in Georgia, mostly because of the political climate you have cited, but also because of the logistics. It would be like Russia trying to land troops in Louisiana: not smart militarily unless you're willing to REALLY go all out.

Don't feel too bad yet, though. I remember this nation tearing itself in half during the 1960's as much of the idiocy you see in Leftist politics today took hold here. It was eventually beaten back by cold reality, and it was only when our side decided to fall asleep at the switch that it made any kind of comeback.
 
beatkp said:
Last statement I was refering to the couple of small arm US Divisions and weak South Korean forces that that valiantly held off the North Koreans juggernaut around Pusan until McArthur arrived.
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Ah! Roger that. :thumb:

Yep. They had big brass ones, just like the 101 at Bastogne.
 
Lest you think I'm some kind of commie sympathizer as some of you portray me, I am the son brother and father of current and past service members. My father served in said Battle of the Bulge. 30th infantry old hickory division.
 
Zap I hope and pray (you can still do that right?) you are right, but we will see in November. In the mean time the United States sits idle while an independent democracy has been invaded. Our history obligates us to support small democracies like Georgia, but history and national pride have been expunged from our national concience. Most people couldn't even tell you what the bill of rights are, let alone give any coherent explanation of the first ten ammendments to the constitution.

Boss51 I do not think you are a communist. I actually listen and try to learn. I believe as the story goes that god can even talk to us through a donkey. We just ahve to be able to clean our ears out and listen. Your original position that we must support Georgia was correct. Your comments about the state and condition of the military misguided.
 
bossf51 said:
Lest you think I'm some kind of commie sympathizer as some of you portray me, I am the son brother and father of current and past service members.
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So what's your excuse for not having served, commie?







I KID! I KID! :thumb:
 
No just an ordinary middle american who has seen my country slowly be torn apart. We are at a point were reconciliation is slipping away
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Can you define "Middle America"? Is Middle America , rural America which has the highest meth use in the country? Or is it the Deep South with the highest divorce and murder rates? How about Kansas, which has a Democratic Governor and two Democratic Congressmen?

Middle America is like dry water, it doesn't exist. It's just used in politics.
 
You know Reagan wasn't a Middle American? He was from California, and even worse Hollywood, some people forget he was an actor (not a very good one). What about the Bushes? Blue-blooded Conneticut elites, don't let the accent fool you. That's where their roots are, deep in Conneticut by Yale University (where they both attended).

LBJ, arguably one of the most liberal Presidents in domestic affairs, was from the "Heartland" Texas. Truman was from Missouri.
 
And let the name calling and intolerance begin. I grew up in suburban Colorado, and currently reside in Nevada. I fled Kaliforneeyah along with most people who had even the slightest conservative veiws. I am a middle class as it gets. Served 21 years in the AF and now work in the evil pharma industry. Not getting rich just getting by, and hoping my kids have a better tomorrow. I am just really afraid we won't.

Much like the Georgian people after Putin (the real russian leader) gets through with them.
 
Name-calling? I don't recall any name-calling :confused:

Where is Middle America though? Can you define it? I didn't ask for the history of where you live? Is it suburban Colo. What about the suburbs of Los Angeles or Austin? Nevada, does that include Las Vegas? Nevada and Colo. are both "swing states" that are trending towards the Democratic Party, so are you sure they still eligible for status?

Barack Obama's mom is from Kansas and Obama has lived in Illiniois which is pretty smack-dab in the middle of America? Is Obama a Middle American? Or is his name too funny-looking?
 
Z you had me going there for a sec. Truth be told, I was a candidate for the Class of 73 at the USNA. Went to Floyd Bennett field for a combination physical and PT test. They dilated my pupils and it was a heckuva time I had finding my way back to my Aunt's house in Jackson Heights on the subway.

I didn't get the appointment due in part to my eyesight. Went on to civvie college, had a low draft number but somehow mine didn't come up.

I am a huge supporter of a strong military and the service academies. I had a long career in politics in which I helped thousands of veterans get their benefits straightened out. I helped get the first Agent Orange legislation passed; I work with homeless vets to this day.

So please don't question my bona fides and sincerity here. Thanks guys.:wink:
 
Well it sure isn't Boulder and wasn't Berkley either....Then again my old hometown of Denver is beginning to look a little like Moscow. I heard the Mayor rented a warehouse and is building cages for all the upstanding protestors set to arrive for the convention.

Maybe he is taking lessons from Putin too. Who knows we could see tanks in the street just like Georgia.
 
I am a huge supporter of a strong military and the service academies. I had a long career in politics in which I helped thousands of veterans get their benefits straightened out.
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Reason enough for me to call you "friend". They deserve all we can give them. :thumb:
 
Well it sure isn't Boulder and wasn't Berkley either....Then again my old hometown of Denver is beginning to look a little like Moscow. I heard the Mayor rented a warehouse and is building cages for all the upstanding protestors set to arrive for the convention.
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Here's a little history lesson if you plan to be open-minded. All of your references to a polarization of the Civil War -type isn't fact-based. The election of 1860 had the newly-founded Republican Party not getting any votes in the South, he was set to do so poorly that he was not even on the ballot in most places south of the Mason-Dixon. The split in the Democratic Party between its Northen and Southern factions had a similar division....

Is there anything like that now? Mean old California has a Republican Governor and 19 of its 53 Housemembers are Republicans, and conservative ones at that. Duncan Hunter was so nutty he made Tancredo look like he shouldn't check into Bellevue. Even red Utah has a Democratic mayor in its largest city (Salt Lake City). California will never vote for a Republican in a national election since the Republican Party adopted the Evangelicalism of Fallwell and Robertson but Bush still got around 40-45 points there. And Democrats still can get around 40 percent in the Deep South and Plains States...
 
Wow! What seemed like a good discussion on what we sghould do about the current situation in Georgia has slowly evolved into a debate on AMERICAN politics (ITRHO; In This Retirees' Humble Opinion). AND, isn't this a symptom of the situation DS is describing? (Though I do have a slightly less fear that we as a nation will be torn asunder anytime soon than he does. Call me an optimist! (or maybe just gullible :redface:))

BUT, Back to the shooting war we were all discussing: What can we do about Georgia NOW? Honestly, and again ITRHO, I really don't think we can do much, far all the reasons mentioned above. But we CAN do something for the future, and I think Zaphod mentioned it; immediate unilateral support treaties with the OTHER neighbors of the not-such-a-nice-guy-after-all Mr. Putin (Poland, Lithunia, etc.). Something to give Mr. Putin (he of the "I looked into his soul and could tell he was a straight shooter". Nice read there Mr. Bush; remind me not to bankroll your next poker game :wink:), a little something to think about the next time he gets "uppity".

More importantly, and this is th eother dimension of America's might people tend to ignore because it seems just to easy to "send in the missiles and troops", how about some ECONOMIC sanctions?
 
There is no question about your support for the military or patriotism Boss. You are one of the best parent advocates for the CGA.

But usually when two opposing views to politics or religion are discussed (argued), no one side rarely ever convinces the other that they are right, especially among friends or relatives.
 
Yes Bullet removing Russia from the G-8 might have some influence. Cutting aid would certainly have an impact, but that might also make Putin even more desparate to bring things to a rapid conclusion.

It is sad we are in a situation like wathcing Poland fall in WWII. Thinking if we just look the other way Hitler would stop with Poland. Hopefully Putin doesn't have the same designs.
 
I say we have all the East European nations join NATO. Even if Georgia can't be salvaged, at least we will have significantly bolstered relations with an already US-friendly East Europe and put some ice on Russia. I see more potential in helping Poland, Ukraine, etc. prosper than acquiesing to Russia.
 
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