US sends 100 troops to Uganda

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  1. Chockstock

    Chockstock "Forever One Team"

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    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/oct/14/obama-sending-troops-aid-africa-anti-insurgency/


    What do you all think? I find it hard to believe that these troops are just "advisors"...first thing I thought of was the "advisors" we sent to Vietnam before sending ground troops. I am uneasy with President Obama's decision and do not think this will be good in the long run.

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  2. scoutpilot

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    You are a West Point cadet and subject to the UCMJ. Your only authorized public opinion in response to President Obama's decision is "roger, sir."

    Rest assured that you understand about 1% about how and why SOF soldiers are employed. That is by design. Your best bet is to accept that people with knowledge and experience far greater than that of a cadet have analyzed this course of action and made their recommendations.
     
  3. LineInTheSand

    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    Interesting. A friend at the State Department has the same unease, and that friend certainly knows about this area.
     
  4. corvette

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    Even if I don't agree with my boss's decision and/or command, I will obey it no matter what! I know it's very hard to be in the President's spot but he knows what he's doing better than us and he never wants to hurt our country or our troops. We fight for freedom and peace!!
     
  5. scoutpilot

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    LOL. State Department? Foggy Bottom has earned the contempt of so many for a reason.
     
  6. Christcorp

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    John Smith, Brian Jones, Bill Mitchell, etc... might be cadets at Westpoint. As far as I'm concerned, ChockStock is simply an anonymous poster on a forum. "Chockstock" is allowed to have any opinion he wants. As long as "Chockstock" maintains his anonymity.

    I know this is a testy subject. But government officials routinely comment on the condition that they remain anonymous. The founders of our nation routinely wrote with "Pen Names" to maintain anonymity. Who knows: Maybe "Scoutpilot" and "Chockstock" are actually one and the same; and he uses one screen name for commenting what is politically correct or proper, and the other screen name for how he really feels.

    Gotta LOVE Al Gore for inventing the internet. :thumb::thumb::thumb:
    Definitely worth a 3 thumbs up. Mike; or is it Fred; or Steve; or Sarah........ Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmm
     
  7. LineInTheSand

    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    I remember hearing that in SOUTHCOM. That said, they know far more about their regions than the troops that rotate through, especially into something like this.

    And we all know how much "concern" DOD has for AFRICOM.
     
  8. scoutpilot

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    And speeding isn't against the law unless a cop clocks you, right?
     
  9. Christcorp

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    Whatever you want to believe.

    I admit that there are some that can't separate personal opinions with their professional lives. But some can. I had no problem serving honorably and following every order. Even ones I didn't agree with or understand. I continue that today in civilian life. Doesn't matter if I agree with my boss or the company. I can still do my job without my personal feeling being involved. Then again, I can have heated debates about sex, politics, and religion; and when it's all over, still be friends and not hold any negative feeling against the person I was debating. Some people can't. They take everything so personal.

    But this begs a certain question to be asked. "Why have screen names"? Why not just use our "Real Names"? There's obviously a reason for anonymity.

    But this isn't the subject of this thread, so I believe we should let it go. The purpose of this thread was to say that President Obama has sent 100 troops to Uganda. And that these troops with not engage in combat, except for self defense. I personally don't buy it; but then, who the hell am I? But you are correct. We probably don't know that much about this. "I would say that it's probably MORE than the 1% you think a cadet knows". But the truth is, we have to have faith in those over us that they do know what they're doing. And if I was still on active duty, and I was one of the 100 sent, I would go willingly and with that faith. I might still have an opinion, based on historical data and evidence, but I would indeed have faith. You have to. If you can't have faith in those above you, then the military is definitely not the right occupation for you. I truly believe that. If a cadet or active duty military person doesn't have faith in the officers over them, or in the President or secretary of defense/service branch, etc... Then you really shouldn't be in the military. It's really that simple.
     
  10. scoutpilot

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    I prefer to believe that cadets and West Point officers subscribe to and abide by an Honor Code, the purpose of which is to instill and maintain the utmost integrity. Your "it's ok to do something wrong since you're doing it anonymously" doesn't jive my sense of integrity, or with that of West Point and the U.S. Army. Though, I do recognize that USAFA treats honor differently.

    Simple test: if you wouldn't want LTG Huntoon, the Superintendent, to know you were the one posting it...you probably ought not be posting it. Screennames or not, this is a public forum.

    As for the "1%" he knows about SOF employment, I was being generous. Cadets don't even know how Big Army works yet.
     
  11. Christcorp

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    The only difference we have, is I don't believe he is doing anything wrong by expressing his feelings. Just like being able to go to a rally or other politically charged event.

    Now, if he can't keep performing his military duties out of it, or he brings discredit to the military, that's a whole different matter. Some people can keep this separate. Some can't. If he can't, and his beliefs will interfere with his performance, then he needs to rethink what he's doing. Remember, just because a person doesn't say something about a topic, doesn't mean they condone it. And just because this is a forum occupied predominantly by military people, doesn't mean we always agree with our leaders. Head in the sand in no excuse either. But its up to the individual to determine if they can follow orders and do their job, even if they dont agree. For anyone to think that military members are robots and agree 100% with their leaders is naive. But as long as they can and will perform their duties without question, that is all that matters.
     
  12. raimius

    raimius USAFA Alumnus

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    Respectful disagreement is a sign of maturity in my book.

    Hunting down Joseph Kony is something that should have been done a while ago, by us or someone else, IMO. He is a Grade A Monster, from what I've seen. Now, increasing military involvement with advisers in an unstable region does have a certain rhyme within history. I can see being uneasy with that idea.


    Saying "I don't think this is a good idea," can be a healthy thing within any organization. On the other hand, saying, "I think President X is a sniveling little ***** and should be dragged out and shot" would be a violation of the UCMJ and a very bad thing for a military member to say! Obviously, there is a big difference here.
     
  13. cisco

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    Correct! :thumb:


    There're things that only the President is fully aware about, for example, he promised to get the troops out of Afghanistan and Iraq, but once he took office he couldn't. Because he knew the real reasons as to why.


    This may start out like it did with Vietnam, a handful of troops, then it grows to a thousand, then in 1966 it exploded. But again, we can't be sure of that until it happens. It might, or it might be a short-term assignment.


    For this action of the President though, wouldn't Congress need to approve of this?
     
  14. Christcorp

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    +1 perfect position and philosophy. Wish I could have been as articulate.
     
  15. scoutpilot

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    No.
     
  16. Bullet

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    A little unnecessary and frankly rude dig there at the end, scout. You REALLY want to go down that path?

    I get it. You find it distasteful for a cadet, regardless of which academy they are currently attending, to use anonymity or no chance of getting caught as an excuse. But your analogy was poor. One (speeding) is most certainly an illegal act. The other, Chockstock discussing his opinion about US policy in a setting that is in no way officially associated with the US military, is not only perfectly legal, but is also his right as a US citizen AND protected by UCMJ. Chockstock was neither rude nor disrespectful to the Chain of Command, and was simply voicing his opinion on current US policy. In a forum similar to him being in a coffee shop down the street from the Point in civilian clothing.

    I could continue the flame war and say something like: "I guess the USAFA values critical thinkers in their ranks more than West Point", but that would just be rude and I wouldn't want to go there, would I? :rolleyes:

    As to Chocstock's level of knowledge about what the SF team will do there, and his knowledge of their mission being less than 1%? Sure, I can assume that is correct. Just like I can also assume that NO ONE on this forum has the full story on what they are doing there or what their mission really is; like FightClub, if they knew about it, they wouldn't talk about it. Even anonymously on an internet forum... :wink:
     
  17. scoutpilot

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    I'm your huckleberry.
     
  18. raimius

    raimius USAFA Alumnus

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    You might want to see a doctor about that cough, Doc.
     
  19. Bullet

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    You skin that smoke wagon and we'll see what happens! :biggrin:
     
  20. Luigi59

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    The sad truth that everyone wants to ignore is that there has been sectarian/ethnic violence and wholesale genocide going on in Central Africa for years and the USA has continued to ignore it for reasons only the Bush/Obama administration(s) know. Mass rape, kidnapping, mutilation, etc (estimates of over 1 MILLION have been killed in Rwanda, and 400,000 in Darfur, Sudan).

    This deployment to Uganda to hunt down and kill Joseph Kony makes no sense as long as Omar al-Bashir is still free.
     

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