Use CFA from service academy?

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  1. usmacandidate2020

    usmacandidate2020 Member

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    Can you transfer your CFA scores from your service academy physical fitness test to your ROTC physical fitness test?
     
  2. FalconsRock

    FalconsRock Parent

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    No. The PFA is a different test. You do 1 minute push ups, sit ups and then a mile and a half run.
     
  3. Pima

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    Agreed...it is a totally different test.
     
  4. murfthesurf

    murfthesurf DS - USNA 2020

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    Yes, you can for the NROTC, so I am sure you can for the other programs.

    My son was given a PFA Wavier form that allows the person who administered his CFA (for the USNA) to sign off and confirm the CFA scores.

    My son was just notified that he has been awarded a ISR Scholarship.

    Ask your recruiter/adviser for the form
     
  5. Pima

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    Could it be that it is because your DS was awarded an ISR? ISRs to my knowledge are directly tied to the college and they forego competing on a national board once being offered and accepting the scholarship. IOWS, it would be at the CoCs discretion, not the HQ, which is what is the more typical route for HS students.

    Not disagreeing, just wondering if that is for ALL NROTC candidates or just ISR recipients.
    ~ Caveat: I believe this is the 1st or 2nd year NROTC ONLY candidates were required the PFA for their scholarship, years prior, NROTC only candidates did not have to submit a PFA, but NROTC MO did...the only ROTC branch that did not submit, A/AF/NROTC MO all submitted the PFA forever!
    ~~ My DS was both a USAFA candidate and AFROTC HSSP candidate. He had to do both. That was in 08. NROTC Only candidates at that time did not submit PFAs.
    ~ Just saying it could be that is true for NROTC ONLY HSSP, because even yrs past they were the only one not to require the PFA. Thus, I would not assume that the new kid on the block (NROTC Only) is the norm, and that other branches are now following suit.

    AFROTC does not allow it for the HSSP because for the reason Falcon stated, it is a different test, not only from a run perspective, but also that several events are not part of the test. Hard to say that someone with an 8 min. mile will not wear down and make the time due to the extra distance.

    The PFA score is part of the WCS. I don't know how they would convert the scores since the tests are so different. How do you convert a mile time to a 1 1/2 mile and award points for that portion? Points that become part of the WCS. Plus, for at least AF, AFROTC boards and USAFA do not talk at all, the only thing they share is the DoDMERB exam, and maybe the interviewer (ALO). USAFA does not know if they are applying for a scholarship, and HQ AFROTC does not know if they are applying for USAFA when it comes to selection.
    ~ Caveat: Interviewers would know this, thus, going back to the point it maybe just from the ISR world that they could request a waiver.

    JMPO, I don't see it happening from the national selection like they do with the SAT/ACT conversion that they use for the PAR portion. I know that this question has been asked if they could lift certain portions from the PFA because their times were better, and ALO, BGO. FFRs here have stated no they can't because one thing they are looking is doing the test in the right order with the correct time limits.
    ~Remember the PFA exists not only for scholarship selection, but for activating the scholarship next year. Running a 7:45 min. mile would be a pass, but if I recall correctly an 11:30 1 1/2 mile is a fail (guys).

    I am willing to be whipped 1,000,000 times with a wet spaghetti noodle if I am wrong regarding all ROTC branches.
    ~ Things change year to year regarding what is allowed and what is not. It could be this year it is allowed for HSSP.

    Not trying to be harsh at all, just saying it maybe more tied to the ISR and NROTC and should not be a blanket statement that you are sure you can for all of the programs.
     
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  6. murfthesurf

    murfthesurf DS - USNA 2020

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    " Caveat: I believe this is the 1st or 2nd year NROTC ONLY candidates were required the PFA for their scholarship, years prior, NROTC only candidates did not have to submit a PFA, but NROTC MO did...the only ROTC branch that did not submit, A/AF/NROTC MO all submitted the PFA forever!"

    Pima that may indeed be the reason for NROTC allowing the CFA to be used. My son actually showed me the NROTC Wavier Form before he sent it off to his Coach for fill-out.

    At least it can cover NROTC Plan B Applicants.

    BTW, I can't say enough about the advice given here for insisting that all SA Applicants put a Plan B in place; it makes 'the long wait' for the kids (and the parents) a bit more tolerable !
     
  7. DJA

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    Yes, you can for AROTC as my DS did last year and was awarded a 4 year scholarship. He was told by Fort Knox they take the USMA CFA scores and convert/prorate to the AROTC measurements. So as long as your CFA scores are very good you are fine to use it but I would confirm with Fort Knox before submitting.
     
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  8. Norfolk63

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    Yes you can, at least for NROTC. DS asked USNA to email CFA scores to NROTC coordinator who happily converted his scores. DS received 4-yr NROTC scholarship notice about 2 weeks later.
     

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