USMAPS Stats

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  1. PBA

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    Can anyone help with a little research I am doing. I'm looking for stats on USMAPS grads who made it all 4 years at USMA. USMAPS publishes stats on how many of their students make it to USMA, but not how many graduate from USMA. Thanks in advance for any assistance.
     
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    The way you phrase it, "who made it all 4 years" makes it sound like they have a rough time. On the contrary, from what I remember, the Prepsters have a higher graduating rate than the rest of the class. They also have a larger percentage of holding higher class rank and a disproportionate amount of First Captains. If I'm wrong, I'm sure there will be someone to correct me here shortly.
     
  3. scoutpilot

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    I'd like to see a citation for those stats.

    Saying that prepsters have higher rates of graduation and rank is misleading. The majority of folks leave during or after Plebe year. Prepsters appear, by the end, to have fared better because they are weeded out (by force or by choice) during their USMAPS time vice completely during plebe year. Secondly, many of the non-Prepsters who leave USMA are highly qualified for other top-tier institutions. For the average Prepster, that is not so (look at the population of Prepsters and what type of candidate goes to USMAPS).

    The notion that Prepsters attain rank is actually a post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy. Prepsters often hold leadership positions because many of them are prior enlisted. What you are actually seeing is that prior enlisted cadets tend to be put in leadership positions at a higher percentage than non-prior cadets. It so happens that many prior enlisted are also USMAPS folks. It isn't USMAPS that makes them desirable for leadership positions, it's their enlisted time. Their time at USMAPS is ancillary to their selection as cadet leaders.
     
  4. PBA

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    That is what I would have thought, but given some of the recent stats (armydaughter link) the class of 2012 had some very low (IMO) graduation percentages (e.g. 61% of African American). I was just wondering if USMAPS better prepared you and did that show in the stats. Thanks!
     
  5. BigBear

    BigBear Class of 2015

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    Doing a prep year at any military school will help when it comes to dealing with a lot of the cadet bs (especially during Beast), but academically, it really depends on the person. Most likely, if you aren't very smart going in, you aren't going to come out much smarter
     
  6. pilot2b

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    I know USNA keeps fairly detailed records on how well NAPSters fare on tests in each subject compared to direct entries, etc. To my knowledge that isn't published however. I'm sure USMA keeps similar records.
     
  7. kinnem

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    OTOH if you're a kid who lacks organization, study skills, and discipline to study, you'll pick these up and come out on top.
     
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    Preps

    Any consideration to those who receive Civil Prep Scholarships and attend Prep schools other than MAPS and Naps?

    Push Hard, Press Forward
     
  9. BigBear

    BigBear Class of 2015

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    Based on what I've heard about the "academics" at USMAPS, I would tend to disagree
     
  10. hawk

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    You'll get many opinions on this.

    What I've heard from both prepsters & non that appears to be holding true is:

    1) Prepster plebes have a distinct advantage having had a year to get their military routine dialed in. Including time mgt, etc. How to efficiently get stuff done. Add to that the prior enlisted aspect of some, and it's a big difference initially.

    2) Being less challenged by the mil stuff & duties, prepsters early on are often able to handle plebe academic loads without drama, etc

    3) The early advantages start changing as yearlings. Mil duties are lower, cadets figure it out, etc. AND academic courses get much harder, physics, etc. It hits all cadets, but there does appear to be a greater impact on prepsters, just due to the nature of their background. Many dig in, get tutoring, and tough it out. Others struggle.

    Tutoring apparently becomes a big deal in the yearling world. Help your buddies, and get performance passes to boot!

    All of this is a generalization, there are exceptions to every case. But there do seem to be some trends that appear.

    Regarding class officer positions, etc, even the prepsters will admit there is no competition early on. They exit USMAPS with essentially a voting block, focused distribution lists, parallel information flow. Some share this info with squaddies, others do not. There is virtually no way for non-prepster class officers candidates in BEAST to challenge that level of organization. I'm told that it's very rare to have plebe class officers who were not prepsters, if it happens at all.

    One thing for sure- having a prepster as roommate as a plebe is a big win! Much to learn from them.
     
  11. sportslover

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    Care to share what you've heard about the "academics" at USMAPS??
     
  12. BigBear

    BigBear Class of 2015

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    From the USMAPS website:
    "The academic program focuses on Mathematics and English...Cadet candidates also receive instruction in life management skill and critical/reading skills through the Success Development Course."

    They essentially take three "classes" - not a full college level course load, and one of those classes is how to read.
     
  13. Packer

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    Are you sure this is the full academic picture? If so all I can say is, wow!
     
  14. BigBear

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    Based on the USMAPS website and my conversations with my roommate last year (who went to USMAPS), yes, that's the full picture. :rolleyes:
     
  15. Packer

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    I am surprised and not in a good sort of way.:thumbdown:
     
  16. dunninla

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    Very true. :thumb:
     
  17. ArmyStrong7

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    I agree. I'm apart of the USMAPS class of 2012 and I know for sure that the academics at USMAPS is no where near as rigorous as the academics at USMA.
     

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