USMMAAA Eviction

That was not the real point

OK – So a very long response on the most minor of all the comments I had made – in defense of the teachers at KP by describing the shortcomings of the survey that ranked the professors at KP so poorly.

No comment on the fact that there is a 20% set-back rate – due primarily to M/N failing classes; and the academy deciding it was not really their fault.

No comment on the existence of Summer School – which did not exist in my day – as a bad answer to a bad problem.
No comment on the much worse problems midshipmen at USMMA face every day

Additionally – the hiring cycle the academy has (due to its own system) results in the best teachers likely getting jobs elsewhere before the academy can even post opportunities.

Additionally – all hiring goes through the DOT hiring process, which favors candidates first and foremost by DOT’s hiring criteria -- this puts many other factors ahead of teaching ability.

Additionally – specifically for Physics, only PhD’s are eligible to be hired for those positions. I think we all know that at standard colleges the PhD-degreed professors may be the brightest, but not necessarily the best at teaching. Also – at such colleges, graduate level TA’s are utilized for supplemental learning – which is not an option that can be employed at KP.

My conclusion – yet again – is that this administration is not who I implicitly trust to act in the best interests of the academy or its midshipmen.
 
The reason for the response to the single issue was because that was the only one that I had previously looked into. But since you brought it up, I decided I should at least do a little research on one of your other issues.

...No comment on the fact that there is a 20% set-back rate...

Doing a quick Google search I found various studies addressing the high dropout rate for college engineering majors in the United States. I was surprised (shocked) to find studies indicating that between 40%-60% of engineering majors either drop out or do not graduate with an engineering degree within 6 years. There is one study done by The Higher Education Research Institute at UCLA. I can't post links here, but just google "UCLA Degrees of Success" and you will find it.

Compared to what is happening at other colleges around the county it would seem that the Merchant Marine Academy is actually doing quite a bit better. With the SAT scores of the students entering the Merchant Marine Academy being higher than most other colleges I would expect them to have more success, but then again, they have only three years to cram in four years of academics.

Another factor brought up is that the average student today spends less time studying than those in the past. It would be nice to know what the 80% who are not being set-back are doing differently than those with set-backs.
 
Not even sure where to begin

So this is the second time in a response there was a mention of an “engineering” school.

Well as about half of all the graduates from this institution will tell you – THAT IS NOT WHAT KP IS!!! So anyone arguing on that track may have wandered into deep water without knowing how to swim.

The United States Merchant Marine Academy at Kings Point is NOT an engineering school – it is a taxpayer-funded maritime academy – the only U.S. federal institution of its kind.

Others may think a 20% set-back ratio is great – but when I was there, the ratio was more like1-2%. Those not able to handle the program were sent on their way, and every once in a while there was a special reason to give someone a special break.

After any of the M/N fails their academic classes they go through an Academic Review Board process where (among other things) they need letters from official members of the organization to help state their case – that they tried very hard and yet still failed. Comments in the previous post are EXTREMELY INSULTING to those midshipmen who did not fail because they were goofing off!!

Every time the administration chooses to set a M/N back they are choosing to increase the per capita cost of this taxpayer funded education as well. They are also knowingly taking away an opportunity for some other dedicated hard-working young person to even get a chance to get in (enrollment is limited by the number of beds available on-campus). While many in this forum disagree about many things, almost all of us are concerned about why taxpayers (me included) would continue funding the very existence of the U.S. Merchant Marine Academy; so a 20% set-back ratio in that context is most definitely unacceptable.

So again – why did they fail??
 
Count me out as one of your forum readers that question why taxpayers continue to fund KP. I wonder why as a taxpayer concerned about taxpayers would want to continue funding the school that you choose this forum to express your concern. This is a forum for those that are interested in sending their DS or DD to one of the service academies. The GCaptain forum is one better suited for you to argue against continued funding of our school.
 
Did you look at the title of this thread?

Well counting yourself out of reality is an option, but generally not a good one.

Since I had never asked myself that question I searched this site for an explanation of its actual purpose and found this thread:

United States of America Service Academy Forums > General Discussion > Community Information and Feedback – What is the purpose of this forum?

It has become a “closed” discussion in which Supermoderator KP2001 stated:

“Forgive me for not jumping into the fray earlier......but who cares????”

So it would seem this is not necessarily just a feel-good rah-rah site after all.

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I am 100% a believer in the continued existence of the United States Merchant Marine Academy and have been a part of defending its continued existence for a long time now - including when then Vice President Gore specifically targeted it as a waste of taxpayer dollars – so the concern is deeply founded in reality.

There are legitimate concerns about many things and every entity that exists needs to justify its continued existence. This alumni’s concern is that the current administration is already on a path that will ultimately destroy my “stately strife-born alma mater.”

My arguments, knowing both sides have issues, are centered on explaining why I would not trust the word of this administration over the alumni foundation. None of the other service academies report up a chain of command that have no alumni of its own institution in it. None of the other academies have resorted to kicking its alumni foundation off the grounds without a plan to sustain continuity of service.

None of the other service academies have seen six changes-of-command at the superintendent position in four years.

Despite all that, the choice to attend the United States Merchant Marine Academy at Kings Point is still the best option for any young person looking for a life in the Maritime Industry. I just hope it will be there when it is time for them to graduate.
 
Well counting yourself out of reality is an option, but generally not a good one.

Since I had never asked myself that question I searched this site for an explanation of its actual purpose and found this thread:

United States of America Service Academy Forums > General Discussion > Community Information and Feedback – What is the purpose of this forum?

It has become a “closed” discussion in which Supermoderator KP2001 stated:

“Forgive me for not jumping into the fray earlier......but who cares????”

So it would seem this is not necessarily just a feel-good rah-rah site after all.

I normally wouldn't get involved in this discussion, but when another Mod is quoted completely out of context it does warrant a comment.

If you would read KP2001's entire post (and not just one line from it), he was saying "Who cares" to the idea that the site needs a written mission statement, not saying "Who cares" to the purpose of this forum. Selectively quoting one sentence from a post does not really work to support your discussion and it changes the intent of KP2001's post. I urge anyone with interest in this to read that entire thread HERE .

There appears to be a small group of KP alumni who want to use this forum as a way to promote their dissatisfaction with things at USMMA. That is definitely not the purpose of this forum. Discussion of events at USMMA is fine, but the continued bellyaching about what you don't like is not fine. If you have any questions about this, feel free to send me a PM.

Stealth_81
 
Bellyaching?

It feels this last comment was directed not just at me but to all the others who have weighed in with some concern (within the 105 previous responses on this thread and many other threads I have seen or weighed in on) which was moved so it could be in an appropriate discussion for what it is.

I have always heard that with both the written word and in giving speeches you 1.) say what you are going to say, 2.) say it in detail, and then 3.) summarize what you said.

Quoting the entire opening paragraph of a written statement is not something I ever would have thought of as "out of context." Maybe I need to resurrect LCDR Bardot (my English teacher at KP, from whom I thought I learned a lot) to ask his interpretation of the full statement.

Failing that, I went back and read the entire statement – which was buried within a long string of people asking about the “rules” and still fail to see how my view was inappropriate to express in this forum. KP2001 seemed to indicate that disagreements and “tussling” were preferable to locking down freedom of speech as long as people were not making personal attacks.

As far as bellyaching is concerned:

Expressing concern for the welfare of M/N left exposed to the dangers of being poisoned in their sleep without proper warning systems installed (still more than a full year later) is not something I think of as “bellyaching.”

Expressing concern about teachers being so poor that the academy had to create “Summer School” as a BAD-ANSWER-TO-A-BAD-PROBLEM, is not in my mind bellyaching.

Expressing concern for an administration that has overseen seven (7) changes of command at the Superintendent position in less than four (4) years -- and wondering how this could very well be a critical item on a path to closing an institution that has worked for the good of this nation since 1943 – does not feel like bellyaching to me.

So I ask openly to all: have you personally looked multiple struggling M/N in the eye – M/N who have given all they can and still feel they will somehow fail - and promised them you would help them, and made good on that promise? If not, then maybe you are coming from a totally different world than I am working with.

I am a concerned alumnus for a good reason. None of the other four federal academies have ever been threatened with closure by the executive branch of this country (Reference then Vice President Gore and Project Acta), and events as they are unfolding seem like a set-up for failure so it will be easy to say it is time to shut it down.

I will still have plenty to keep me busy if that happens, but I think it would be a shame since there is still a great need for the type of officer KP has always developed.

Finally, mark my words – if they close the doors at KP – someone will be next.
 
AAF filed legal action against the Department of Transportation and MARAD regarding

We are approaching ludicrous speed.
 
Thanks for keeping this alive. Any other items coming down the pike?

USMMA-AAF Comments on Advisory Board Report

In a recent presentation of the USMMA Advisory Board Report to the Academy’s Congressional Board of Visitors, Superintendent James Helis and Maritime Administrator Paul Jaenichen put forward their opinion that Kings Point graduates are deficient in leadership skills, further stating that our graduates’ leadership training lags behind that of the other Service Academies and ROTC programs. In addition, the Advisory Board chairman reported that the Academy’s accreditation is at risk if humanities classes are not increased.
The AAF could find no basis supporting these unexpected statements, finding instead that the Academy’s academic and maritime training curriculum, only two years old and a full three years in development, is exemplary. Academic performance metrics continue rising and stakeholders such as the USCG consider the Kings Point program as a model for other maritime academies to aspire.
Mr. Jaenichen and the Superintendent, along with the Advisory report, omitted mention of the Academy’s most distinctive and important leadership development tool: Sea Year. Instead, they referred only to traditional classroom teaching of leadership. This omission signals a lack of understanding of the Sea Year experience and its importance to leadership development as well as maritime training. Sea Year is also a key component that distinguishes USMMA from other Federal Service Academies and State Maritime Schools. Other leadership opportunities abound as Kings Point midshipmen participate in the Regimental system, command vessels on the waterfront, and lead intercollegiate athletic teams, clubs, and professional activities.

The opinion that USMMA should have more leadership and humanities classes is being used to advocate a revamping of the Academy’s curriculum and calendar. The USMMA-AAF is particularly proud of the academic and training curriculum in place at Kings Point and of the dedicated faculty and staff who worked so hard to accomplish it. We therefore find it concerning that, for example, the Academic Dean was not involved in the study’s curriculum assessment, analysis, or final presentation to Secretary of Transportation Anthony Foxx and to the Congressional Board of Visitors.
AAF Response Picks up Where Advisory Board left off

In an effort to correct the deficiencies and omissions in the advisory report, the AAF sent a Response to the Advisory Board Report to the Secretary, the Superintendent, the Advisory Board chairman, and the Maritime Administrator. The response focused on areas that the Advisory Board, lacking Academy and maritime expertise, was understandably unable to adequately and accurately report. The Maritime Administrator as well as Deputy Secretary Mendez have replied, but fundamental issues remain. In addition, graduates in attendance at the briefing of the Congressional Board of Visitors drafted Annotated Meeting Minutes which more completely reflect the presentation.
In their report, the Advisory Board takes the stance that “Students, faculty, alumni, and maritime industry professionals may resist these changes. Nonetheless, the Board strongly supports USMMA’s efforts in these areas and believes that these changes are necessary to ensure continued improvement.” The AAF believes the Academy is best served by a wider net of inclusion, not exclusion, and therefore believe it is in the best interests of the Academy that the study be re-envisioned and re-started. A new study can then have broader stakeholder input, review, and endorsement prior to recommendations being put forth.
Following a new report should be a public comment period, an important part of the transparency of these endeavors that was absent from the current report (though the request was made by a member of the Congressional Board of Visitors). Regretfully, the report’s open-ended recommendations were presented to and approved by the Secretary. Acting on this approval, the Superintendent has formed committees to investigate changes at the Academy including decreases in maritime training, increases in humanities and leadership courses, and what will likely be a disruptive shift from trimesters to semesters with the addition of ‘mini-mesters’. In a letter to the Maritime Administrator, the Congressional Board of Visitors has asked to be involved in any discussions which contemplate changes to the Academy’s current curriculum and course schedule. This request demonstrates the commitment of the Congressional Board of Visitors to the Academy. The AAF remains grateful for their support of Kings Point.

Despite what were clearly the best intentions of the Advisory Board, it was ill-equipped to evaluate a program as complex and unique as USMMA. This further demonstrates the need for a qualified Board of Trustees to provide governance of the Academy. As discussed in the Spring 2014 Kings Pointer magazine, a Board of Trustees of distinguished graduates and maritime and education experts will provide Kings Point with the Merchant Marine Academy and maritime experience missing from its leadership and governance today. A proven model at colleges and universities including State Maritime Academies, a USMMA Board of Trustees is a compelling and achievable solution to the governance issues the Academy has historically and perpetually faced.

Help Us Help The Academy: The AAF has offered to assist the Advisory Board in reaching the external stakeholders whose input was missing from their study and we look forward to playing a supportive role in the success of a new report. We urge Kings Pointers to read all of the materials linked below and send a letter to Secretary Foxx requesting that no changes be made as a result of the Advisory Board Report, and that a new study be conducted with the involvement of all stakeholder groups (graduates, maritime industry, armed services, faculty, students, and parents) who most completely understand the Academy and its mission. We ask that you also encourage the Secretary to meet with the USMMA-AAF so he may benefit from the knowledge of USMMA graduates. We look forward to accepting the recent invitation of the Deputy Secretary to meet with him in the near future.


Kings Point has an existing program of academic and maritime training excellence that develops leaders who are relied on by a diverse maritime and military customer. Changes to this model program cannot be entered into based on an incomplete understanding of the mission of the institution and how that mission is accomplished. Your input can make a difference. Please write your letter and e-mail it to Anthony.Foxx@dot.gov (cc: usmmaaf@alumni.usmma.edu). Thank you for helping make a difference to Kings Point.

Sincerely,

U.S. Merchant Marine Academy Alumni Association and Foundation
Board of Directors

REFERENCE DOCUMENTS: USMMA Advisory Board Report, USMMA-AAF Response to the Advisory Board Report, USMMA 2012-2017 Strategic Plan, Letter from Secretary Foxx, Annotated Meeting Minutes of Advisory Board Briefing to Congressional Board of Visitors
 

She got it right and gingerly phrased "well intentioned".



An overall assessment is that this report was well intentioned, but is lacking in knowledge of the
United States Merchant Marine and the U. S. Merchant Marine Academy necessary to correctly assess
the institution, and furthermore lacks the input needed from stakeholders.
Contact Information:
Constance L. Buhl ‘81
Chairman
USMMA Alumni Association & Foundation
(206) 605-4685
 
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