USNA 2011 Rhodes Scholar

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  1. Mongo

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    Congratulations to the Brigade Commander, Midshipman 1st Class Caroline P. Barlow, of Jacksonville, Fla:

    http://www.navy.mil/search/display.asp?story_id=57348

     
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    Wow, slim pickings from the service academies this year. Sad to see. Happy to hear USNA was able to pick one up. Congrats to her!
     
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    Congratulations! That is excellent news for her, but as hornet mentions, not so good for SA's overall.
     
  4. 2013MidDad

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    Miss Barlow was our DD's squad leader during NASS. She has been top-notch from Day One. Wow. Congrats.
     
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    Just out of curiosity, why is the number 3 ranked midshipmen picked and not the number 1 midshipmen? :confused:

    And, what is: Science in environmental change and management. :confused:



    TYIA
     
  6. mmb5

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    The Rhodes Scholarship is awarded by region of hometown. Thus, she would have been competing as a finalist against others from her state and those nearby. Numbers one and two may not have applied for the Rhodes, and if they had, would have been chosen from different pools of applicants, most likely not in the same pool. Also, the Rhodes Trust interviews finalists and makes the selection based on

    1.literary and scholastic attainments;
    2.energy to use one’s talents to the full, as exemplified by fondness for and success in sports;
    3.truth, courage, devotion to duty, sympathy for and protection of the weak, kindliness, unselfishness and fellowship;
    4.moral force of character and instincts to lead, and to take an interest in one’s fellow beings.


    The scholar-athlete balance they're looking for comes close to class rank - the SAs probably produce more of those types than anywhere else - but may not be exactly the balance the Rhodes Trust selection committee is looking for.

    All the same, #3 is pretty darn great - congratulations to her!
     
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    Last year, the USAFA Rhodes winner was ~10 I believe and the Marshall was number 2. Number one was rejected by both.

    Tom Friedman had an interesting article today with this quote:
    Not that they didn't deserve it but there are two potential implications here:
    The Rhodes Trust is biased towards "diversity."
    American really is sucking at producing quality from the "old pool." I'm trying not to sound racist here since I would not say someone of x descent is not a true American. But, that list says a lot in terms of what the new crop of Americans is made of.
     
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    I certainly couldn't have made the list but...I sure feel sorry for the kids that could but were out of the competition because they were possibly labeled "from the Old Pool" NEXT! Tarnishes the image of the award. <period

    ETA: I just read the FAQ's from the Rhodes page and one thing popped out at me aside from the....well....never mind lol
    Any-who, when do they have time for school? Look at the vacation time they have!

    "Q4. I like the idea of traveling in the summers and long vacations. Do many Rhodes Scholars do
    that? How expensive is it? How hard is travel with the workload?

    A. Most Rhodes Scholars do travel during their vacations (which last six weeks between
    the three eight-week terms and about four months in the summer). The amount they
    travel typically depends more on their interests and their academic workloads than on
    their means. (The Rhodes Scholarship stipend is generous enough to support some
    travel and most Scholars try to supplement the stipend with personal resources for
    extensive travel). It is probably a safe generalization that Scholars reading second
    B.A.s have more time to travel during vacations than those pursuing graduate degrees
    who are expected to be working full time—while B.A. students and taught masters’
    students may be busier academically during the terms than are research degree
    graduate students. But see my comments to the question immediately above."
     
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  11. Just_A_Mom

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    Congratulations to MIDN Barlow!! Competition is stiff - 837 students were endorsed by their colleges and 32 were selected.


    I agree with this. Kids from the 'old pool' are not missing out because they are from the 'old pool'. They are missing out because education is not placed number one in their lives.
    There are many recent immigrant communities (Asian and Hispanic - namely Mexican) that place a huge emphasis on excellence in education as a way to succeed in America. Kids from already successful families just are not encourage to compete in the same way.

    There is a lot of 'recent immigrant' talent that is being developed and these kids are succeeding.

    Hornetguy - have you seen any indication from the Rhodes trust that they are biased towards diversity? I have not and think that the main criteria is still:

    1.literary and scholastic attainments;
    2.energy to use one’s talents to the full, as exemplified by fondness for and success in sports;
    3.truth, courage, devotion to duty, sympathy for and protection of the weak, kindliness, unselfishness and fellowship;
    4.moral force of character and instincts to lead, and to take an interest in one’s fellow beings.

    To suggest or imply that 16 of the 32 Rhodes selectees received their awards at the expense of "old pool" is insulting to the accomplishments of these scholars.

    Here is a summary of three new Rhodes Scholars - one from Hornetguy's list and two from the 'old pool' (if one can infer that solely from their names).
    All three have stunning and similar resume's and embody the criteria set above.
     
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    Immigrants' emphasis on education was exactly that to which Tom Friedman was referring. hornetguy eliminated the first sentence from Tom's paragraph. Here it is in it's entirety.
    The entire article: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/24/opinion/24friedman.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
     
  13. 2013MidDad

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    Thank you, Mongo. Exactly what I was thinking and just what Friedman said.
     
  14. Just_A_Mom

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    What is your question? In case you are not aware - college is normally two academic terms separated by a summer break and a (shorter) winter break. Graduate school programs as the Answer indicated tends to run year round because of reasearch and teaching commitments.

    Mongo - that's what I said. I didn't even read the article.
    But - it's true. Parents of immigrants have a different mindset and often much higher expectations of their children who are motivated to live up to those expectations.
     
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    I eliminated the first sentence for a reason, mainly because the name alone doesn't indicate the "immigrant level" necessarily. They could be 1st, 2nd, or 3rd generation which does make a bit of a difference.

    I tried to caveat, I had no intention of racist/anti-immigrant undertones (nearly impossible in bringing up a discussion) but to show that the ratios scream that this country has a problem which Friedman had written a few articles about. If you consider that "recent" immigrants (0-2 gen) disproportionately (1/2) own the scholarships considering their population is well under 1/2, I find it very concerning to see such a drop in the "old guard" group. Is it endemic to America? aka, will immigrant generations regress to the mean? Honestly, this really isn't a shock to anyone here, the emphasis on education in the old groups of Americans is in big decline, sadly.

    I will say that the Rhodes trust has some big biases after going through that process with many classmates. Not ethnically etc. but in other areas they have major biases. They have a diverse group gender/ethnically, but often the studies are pretty focused (predominantly international relations type stuff in my experience).
     
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    Where did I ask a question in my last post JAM???

    Oh and thanks a bunch for clearing up how college normally work their schedules lol always the helpful one! :yllol::shake:

    How many Graduate programs in America run 8 weeks and a then a 6 week vacation, times three, and then a summer vacation break of 4 months? BTW, that's Oxfords own descriptive words for their yearly schedule in case you didn't read the whole FAQ's and just my quote.
     
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    Sadly yes, I think so. One would hope the opposite would hold true where the cultural attitudes for excellence in education would not regress but progress. Hard to say - there is a lot of prejudice and many folks would prefer to blame 'reverse discrimination' for their own personal lack of success.
    Look at 'blue collar' America. Mostly white and people who have been able to make a good living - but many in this group don't value or see the price of good higher education worth the cost.
    How many peers from your high school came from families who would not make sacrifices to send their children to college?


    Well, yes the focus is a big part of the goals of the scholarship:
    The focus on differing cultures and promotion of international understanding and peace is also probably why students from an immigrant culture - whether it be China, India or Latin America are attracted to this type of study.

    Also - this goes along the line of Maximus' (criticism?) noting that foreign travel is encouraged.
    The Rhodes is a scholarship to Oxford University. Oxford makes the decision on the length of depth of the education and it's worth noting that an Oxford degree is pretty prestigious and rigorous - even if they get a lot of "vacation".
     
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    The Oxford tutorial system is totally different than that of the US college semester system. Many classes, especially those in the liberal arts, are a one-on-one basis with the professor who guides the student's reading. These 'vacations' are necessary in that they are accompanied by quite extensive reading lists which are prerequisites for the next semester's classes. And also, in general, the British treat travel abroad as a requisite part of one's education.
     
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    Anyone that's read the link to Oxford and it's FAQ's knows that Mongo, even JAM has read them by now and is paraphrasing them also.

    I guess travel is important after you arrive at Oxford?

    Q9. I’ve never traveled very far, even outside my state, and have never been out of the country.
    Will that disadvantage me in the competition?
    A. Absolutely not. Every year, some Rhodes Scholars’ first trip to Washington, D. C. is for
    the traditional “departure luncheon,” and their first trip out of the country is to Oxford.
     

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