Discussion in 'Naval Academy - USNA' started by jbusn, Mar 8, 2016.
Does USNA assign a major with an appointment?
But they can assign a major once the class selects their majors and USNA determines the needs of the Navy require more Mids be in academic major X than Mids applied.
If I recall, academic majors are selected at the end of Plebe year.
There may even be a requirement that X Mids graduate with a STEM degree
Plebes are selecting their majors this week. They must list their top three choices.
Yesterday was the day the plebes selected their majors although you do have until Thursday I think to make it official. It was a pretty exciting day for everyone. You were able to put in 3 choices. My son entered his first thing in the morning and his first choice was approved by 10am. USNA had many career workshops where you were able to talk to professors and other mids in the program. My son said many programs really try to recruit you and he was wavering for a little bit but ultimately selected the major he was interested in since NASS. It was a fun day for them and the parents as many of the plebes were posting their choices on facebook and twitter! So far I haven't heard of anyone not getting what they wanted from my son, but its still early in the week.
We were just there for CVW and they told us that 65% of graduates going into the Navy have to have STEM degrees. Think they said it was a statutory mandate. Not sure what that means for Marine option or how they manage to that relative to service selection, but there you have it.
Marines don't care about your major. The statue applies to a class at USNA. Majors are selected Plebe Year and service assignment is done First Class year. Doesn't necessarily relate to service selection in most cases. It can impact nuke selections if a draft is done and is a part of what they consider for those who want to go Nuke.
Do you mind sharing what his choice was?
Right, Marines don't care. So, the statute doesn't apply to a class at USNA, only to those graduates commissioning into the Navy, per USNA's website and what they told us at CVW. Of those, 65% must be STEM majors. So USNA still has to manage the service selection issue which, as you say, doesn't occur until First Class year. The denominator will be smaller than the entire class (I.e., those commissioning into Navy). Not sure how you solve for that during major selection plebe year when you won't know that number for another three years when service selection is done. What if they drop below 65% once Marine commissions are excluded from the denominator and their related majors are excluded from the numerator. Just saying it could cause a problem if Marine commissions are STEM-heavy majors. How many Marine commissions are there per year typically? Kind of an academic discussion (no pun intended), but just curious.
I think his point was USNA requires not the USN....
The USMC is not a separate service but a component of the US Navy
I am certain I didn't define that in a legally pure distinction but the point is the USMC falls 'under' the USN (to just dig the hole a little deeper)
Right, but they still don't count for purposes of the 65% requirement, making the number tough to calculate plebe year, I would think.
You have to remember that USMC selectee percentage is dictated by Congress. It is much higher than it used to be. I would also venture to say that the Marines probably tend to have lots of Group 3 folks. Not saying there aren't plenty of Group 1 and 2s. They do this annually, they use formulas and past year results to tailor those numbers and drive towards a target number. It all works out in the end.
My plebe told me that 65% of his class needs to be a STEM major. He is waiting to hear if he got his first choice.
He chose Systems Engineering. He was also very interested in Cyber, but thought he could work some cyber classes into his Systems major plan.
Plebes that are high class validators (guessing a semester ahead or more) select their majors in Fall semester.
Bless their hearts!
My father (deceased) is a Marine (they are ALWAYS Marines, right?) and my father-in-law was in the Navy. This discussion would have sparked an all day back-and-forth with them!
Two points here:
First - The USMC is NOT a component of the US Navy and does not fall "under" the USN. Rather, the Marine Corps and the Navy are equal, separate branches of the military under the Department of the Navy.
Second - The requirement for 65% STEM is mandated and applies to the class as a whole as they stand as plebes, not what's predicted down the road.
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