USNA Mid sentenced for stealing lab equipment

Questioned By Whom!

Questioned by Military Police and OSI. Bad when OSI was involved :confused: At that time it was a really big deal since mandatory testing was only about three months old. (Operation Golden Flow was instituted in June 1971). Pop one time and you were in big trouble. CBS, NBC and ABC were doing big stories about our whacked out drug abusing military massacring civilians in a drug induced haze. Damn we had a great time with a huge Brandy Snifter "I Mean Huge, Like Gallon Size" full of Tetracycline provided by the Doctors at Med in our OPs room. We called them before and after. Before you went down town and after you came back. But then again we were whacked out drug abusing maniacs abusing a bunch of third world countries. As a military advisor I even had it better. I got paid extra to live downtown on the economy and had a bunk in a hootch back on base. Such a deal.

Captain X was sent back to the unit with an appology and not charged with self-medicating.
 
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Zaphod said:
Actually, it did.

It did NOT, however, reach 100.000.

Proper rounding is a pet peave of mine after losing too many points on too many quizzes and tests for it. :biggrin:
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Fair enough!

Steve
USAFA ALO
USAFA '83
 
flieger83 said:
Okay, I think I've missed something here...I've re-read all the posts...but I'm missing something.

But, the point of my comment, was this statement: "...Unless there is more compelling evidence that surfaces - such as possession when they find the goods - I have never heard of a prosecution based solely on a urine test. Maybe it's worth looking for some legal presidence."

In my career I have sat on 12 courts martial. MOST were for drugs, and if memory serves, ALL were detected during a "random" test procedure; commonly referred to as "Golden Flow."

I remember several of these VERY well because of the pleas of family members, friends, etc., that he/she would NEVER use drugs, the AF was too big a part of their life, etc...etc...

And NONE of these folks (no, ONE did) had possession, etc., when arrested, and then charged. They were all identified by urine testing alone.

And they were all convicted.

Why?

Because you sit through the most detailed briefing, typically by a DOD PhD from the testing facility, that goes into great detail explaining the testing procedures, the "chain of custody" requirements, the levels of the various drugs that MUST be present to signal a positive result, etc...etc... They go into great detail about GC/MS (Gas Chromatography, Mass Spectroscopy) and how the metabolites of the drugs are read in the system, etc.

One of the more interesting things to me was at what level the positive was set at. I don't remember precisely but say the cocaine level was 100.0 nanograms. The initial test of the urine says "potential positive" so its segregated and then tested more precisely, and that says "potential positive" so then it goes to the GC/MS for analysis.

The GC/MS reads the actual metabolite (formed in the tissues, you have to have ingested the drug for this to show) and it reads 99.9987989 nanograms.

THAT IS A NEGATIVE AND IS DESTROYED. Why? Because it didn't reach 100.0

And then they go through the "folks are concerned about poppy seeds and the positive read" and they explain that the GC/MS will determine poppy seeds vs illicit drugs. I came away from all this convinced that a false positive really isn't a player once it reaches the GC/MS test.

Is it perfectly flawless and impossible of error? I suppose not because I know of nothing that is. But it convinced me and I started eating poppyseed bagels again and I have been tested TOO many times in my career. Never been positive.

Steve
USAFA ALO
USAFA '83
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All of that true unless of course someone was just passing around a celebratory cigar loaded with marijuana. Then it would be just an accident.

:smile: Sorry, I just had too...
http://www.hometownannapolis.com/news/top/2010/01/28-29/Positive-drug-test-for-Navy-grid-star.html
 
Luigi59 said:
USNA Mid sentenced for stealing lab equipment

By Brian Witte - The Associated Press
Posted : Thursday Mar 4, 2010 18:00:33 EST

...According to military prosecutors, Hayes, 26...,
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I'm having difficulty figuring out how this person could be 25 (last year) years old and still in the Naval Academy?
Graduate high school at 17 or 18
Plus 1 year of NAPS
Plus 3 1/2 years at the Naval Academy
I understand that these thefts occurred during 2008 - 2009 but how is it possible to ENTER the Academy at 21 years old?
 
aglages said:
I understand that these thefts occurred during 2008 - 2009 but how is it possible to ENTER the Academy at 21 years old?
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Basic Requirements for Eligibility:

  • United States citizen:

  • Good moral character;

    [*]At least 17 and not past their 23rd birthday on 1 July of the year they would enter the academy;

  • Unmarried;

  • Not pregnant; and

  • No dependents.
 
Luigi59 said:
[*]At least 17 and not past their 23rd birthday on 1 July of the year they would enter the academy;
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I don't doubt that a student could meet the eligibility requirements and be 21 years of age, my question concerned what / where he was from the time he graduated high school to the time he entered. Is he former Navy enlisted? Did he graduate HS when he was 21?
 
aglages said:
I'm having difficulty figuring out how this person could be 25 (last year) years old and still in the Naval Academy?
Graduate high school at 17 or 18
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The original article said he was former enlisted.
 
Maximus said:
All of that true unless of course someone was just passing around a celebratory cigar loaded with marijuana. Then it would be just an accident.
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FAIL.

Pot smells like nothing else in the world. It can in no way be confused with even the WORST cigar.

It's akin to confusing Limburger for Swiss.
 
.....and typically one passes around the 'celebratory' cigars BEFORE they're lite, not after. That should have been his first clue.
 
Zaphod said:
FAIL.

Pot smells like nothing else in the world. It can in no way be confused with even the WORST cigar.

It's akin to confusing Limburger for Swiss.
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Im almost 100 percent sure he was being sarcastic
 
Zaphod said:
FAIL.

Pot smells like nothing else in the world. It can in no way be confused with even the WORST cigar.

It's akin to confusing Limburger for Swiss.
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Puuuuhhhleeease Zaphod! You know I was being sarcastic! :yllol:

Epic fail for not realizing a fellow "Other Site" guy was being sarcastic :yllol:
 
no excuse for what's going on ... and this harks back to the football kid and the cigar/pot ... it gives another strong arguement in the talk with mids/younger folks ... if you are so drunk you can't stand up, walk, talk or feel your extremities ... HOW would you KNOW if someone gave you pills, slipped you something or gave you whatever to smoke? That's just it ... you might not ... and bingo ... busted ...

my spouse says the kid may finish out the year, but is taking bets that he won't be back in the fall ....
 
Maximus said:
Puuuuhhhleeease Zaphod! You know I was being sarcastic! :yllol:

Epic fail for not realizing a fellow "Other Site" guy was being sarcastic :yllol:
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You didn't use a smiley approved by EdSr! :thumbdown:
 
Wow, I guess "Honor, Courage, Commitment" is just a group of words that sound good to some people...
 
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