USNA vs. USAFA & USMA Class Profiles + USNA Offers vs. USNA Acceptance

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  1. murfthesurf

    murfthesurf DS - USNA 2020

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    Here is a source Thread to look at the past (4) Years of Class Profiles from USNA, USAFA, & USMA.

    USNA look at Offers of Appointment vs. Class Size
    2019 - 1,373 vs. 1,191 = 182 decline or 13.25% decline an Appointment
    2018 - 1,398 vs. 1,191 = 207 decline or 14.80% decline an Appointment
    2017 - 1,408 vs. 1,200 = 208 decline or 14.77% decline an Appointment
    2016 - 1,394 vs. 1,211 = 183 decline or 13.12% decline an Appointment

    USAFA look at Offers of Admission vs. Total Admitted
    2019 - 1,559 vs. 1,242 = 317 decline or 20.33% decline an Appointment
    2018 - 1,498 vs. 1,206 = 292 decline or 19.49% decline an Appointment
    2017 - 1,475 vs. 1,190 = 285 decline or 19.32% decline an Appointment
    2016 - 1,214 vs. 1,035 = 179 decline or 14.74% decline an Appointment

    USMA look at Qualified vs. Admitted
    2019 - 2,299 vs. 1,262 = 54.89 % of those Found Qualified are Admitted
    2018 - 2,424 vs. 1,223 = 50.45 % of those Found Qualified are Admitted
    2017 - 2,165 vs. 1,190 = 54.96 % of those Found Qualified are Admitted
    2016 - 2,629 vs. 1,193 = 45.37 % of those Found Qualified are Admitted
     

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    EOD/SEALmom Member

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    USNA and USAFA had the exact same numbers?!?!

    Thanks for being the Numbers Guy-pretty interesting to watch!
     
  3. Padre101

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    Interesting stats.

    So do we know how many offers of Admissions/Appointment the USMA make?
     
  4. murfthesurf

    murfthesurf DS - USNA 2020

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    The USMA sadly, does not get that 'granular' with their stats.
     
  5. 5Day

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    @murfthesurf you should be reporting yield, not %declined. Yield is more universal ;)

    I would bet that a good chunk of those that declined their offer to one SA are going to a different SA.

    The SA yields are enviable. Compare that to some other highly competitive schools:
    USNA is at about 85%
    USAFA is about 80%
    This is for the class of 2018
    School Admit Rate Yield Rate
    Bowdoin College 14.8% 50.5%
    Brown University 8.6% 59.9%
    Dartmouth College 11.5% 54.5%
    Georgetown University 16.6% 46%
    Harvard University 5.9% 82%
    Princeton University 7.28% 69.2%
    Stanford University 5.07% 78.9%
    University of Pennsylvania 9.9% 66%
    Williams College 18.2% 45.7%
    Yale University 6.26% 71.7%
     
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  6. FALgarand

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    That metric reflects well on both the focused commitment of the applicants and the selection acumen of the SA admissions folks.
    The "cachet" private colleges receive applications from anyone with $50 and a dream, plus, many highly qualified students will apply en masse to them, knowing how fickle their admissions decisions can be.
     
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  7. LLJ

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    explain yield please.
     
  8. 5Day

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    The % of admitted students that accept their offer . Accepted/Offered admission
    @murfthesurf reported the % of students that did not accept their offer. Declined/Offered admission
     
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    Murf, thanks. I started to do these based on a thread last week but got frustrated and stopped because they each report differently so it was hard to do an apples to apples comparison (USMA just had to be different ;)). Thanks!
     
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    murfthesurf DS - USNA 2020

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    Let's look at % of each Class that is made up by Kids of the respective Alumni:

    USNA
    2019 - (56) or 4.70 % of Class are the Kids of USNA Alumni
    2018 - (70) or 5.87 % of Class are the Kids of USNA Alumni
    2017 - (81) or 6.70 % of Class are the Kids of USNA Alumni
    2016 - (56) or 4.62 % of Class are the Kids of USNA Alumni

    USAFA
    2019 - (83) or 6.76 % of Class are the Kids of USAFA Alumni
    2018 - (74) or 6.22 % of Class are the Kids of USAFA Alumni
    2017 - (85) or 7.27 % of Class are the Kids of USAFA Alumni
    2016 - (67) or 6.67 % of Class are the Kids of USAFA Alumni

    USMA
    2019 - Not Reported
    2018 - Not Reported
    2017 - Not Reported
    2016 - Not Reported
     
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  11. 5Day

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    I wonder why that number is so low. Is it because there is little if no "bump" for the legacy or if it is because so few apply?

    That stat doesn't agree with what Bruce has to say about the SA.
     
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    Thanks for the stats. I have appreciated all of your input, feedback, and knowledge regarding the entire process. How do your USNA numbers reconcile to the yield that I understand to be +90%? I guess this is within the margin of error since it is a very small sample size of 1373 with a 13.25% decline rate in 2019.
     
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    They are not really related. Yield is just saying how many accepted vs those admitted. This new statistic is just showing how few of the students at the SA are children of SA alumni (Legacy). @murfthesurf is crunching through the SA class profiles.
     
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    murfthesurf DS - USNA 2020

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    What USAFA also does is break out the number of kids who's Parents are Alumni of each Service Academy (Not just USAFA), this brings the percentage up to a steady ~8.4% to 9.5% of the total USA Appointed enrollment for each year.

    USNA does not state other Alumni, only USNA

    Of course, West Point...whelp... they don't even do it...
     
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  15. Falcon A

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    Great question.

    I can't prove it but I suspect 3 reasons:

    1. Some legacy kids see the sacrifice mom or dad or mom and dad go through, or they the kid go through and have no desire to continue with that.

    2. Some legacy kids want to serve and go to the SA, but due to the geographic factor find themselves competing against large numbers of kids like themselves within very competitive districts because they are all living around each other which can limit their chances (think Northern Virginia, Maryland, Norfolk, VA., etc where there are mega concentrations of military families with high school age kids.). Anecdotal -- VA Cong district 11 in 2010 sent 19 kids to USMA and in 2011, sent 23 kids to USMA. The VA district MOC can nominate 10, so USMA went deep and beyond his list. After 2011, things changed, but it wasn't a change in the quality of the candidate.

    3. Some legacy kids have things documented in their military dependent medical record that makes DoDMERB a challenge to get through.

    Again, I can't prove it -- just my speculation based on our experience.
     
  16. T.Valiant

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    According to a chart contained in the 2012 Annual Report to the Board of Visitors (available online), the yield for the USMA Class of 2016 was 88.5% or 11.5% (using Murf's method). 2016 is the only class that is available in the report, but it suggests the yield is generally consistent across the academies.
     
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    murfthesurf DS - USNA 2020

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    Found a Summary Profile of the USMMA Class of 2019, 2018, 2017, 2016, 2015

    A USMMA look at Offered Appointment vs. Reported on I-Day:

    2019 - 361 vs. 255 = 106 declined or 29.36 % declined an Appointment
    2018 - 378 vs. 252* = 126 declined or 33.33 % declined an Appointment
    2017 - 354 vs. 237 = 117 declined or 33.05 % declined an Appointment
    2016 - 409 vs. 273* = 136 declined or 33.25 % declined an Appointment
    2015 - 412 vs. 285* = 127 declined or 30.82 % declined an Appointment
    * number includes International Students

    What is really odd (as seen in pdf file) are the number kids who started Applications averaged 2,189 per year. However, in 2019 the number kids who started Applications dropped 527! or 24.07 % in one Year!

    This huge drop off can not be explained by the numbers USMMA has published. For example ratio of the number of USMMA Inquires to number of USMMA Applications started is:

    2019 - 21%
    2018 - 24%
    2017 - 22%
    2016 - 23%
    2015 - 28%

    In addition, ratio of USMMA Application Starts/USMMA Application In-completes has been steady at about 61-62% for the last 5 years. Thus, one can rule out a notion that the Application process has been made harder for 2019 vs. the previous (4) years).

    Something has caused the number of Applications starts to drop 24% in one year.

    This 24% drop in Applications mystery should probably be posted over at the USMMA?
     

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    ktnatalk Sailor. Shipmate. Parent.

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    There is probably some scientific explanation for the steep drop. Those who were 17/18 last year do not particularly like spending the fourth year mainly at sea? The career options at graduation are too limited? Did USCGA get an unusual boost for class of '19? Maybe Search and Rescue and Defending the Border were getting more interest from the young people?

    Speaking of USCGA, where is the data, Murf? ;)
     
  19. murfthesurf

    murfthesurf DS - USNA 2020

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    The Official info is pretty spread out and would take time to assemble.

    I only found Class of 2015 broken down like the others. That was put together by Parents Group.

    Not giving up :)
     
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    murfthesurf DS - USNA 2020

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    US Coast Guard Academy Early Action statistics:

    Of the 196 appointees to the Class of 2020...
    713 Applicants
    196 Appointments

    53% AIM Graduates
    Average SAT Scores: 678 CR 682 M 627 W (includes converted ACT scores)
    Average HS Rank: 12% (includes reported and calculated HSR's)
    Average GPA: 3.84 (all reported GPA's are converted to a 4.00 scale)
    Average PFE Score: 230
    45 U.S. states plus U.S. citizens living in Belgium, Italy, Kuwait, and the U.S. Virgin Islands

    Of the 171 appointees to the Class of 2019...
    648 Applicants
    171 Appointments

    50% AIM Graduates
    Average SAT Scores: 707 CR 679 M 627 W (includes converted ACT scores)
    Average HS Rank: 12% (includes reported and calculated HSR's)
    Average GPA: 3.87 (all reported GPA's are converted to a 4.00 scale)
    Average PFE Score: 229
    37 U.S. states are represented plus U.S. citizens living in the District of Columbia, Germany, the United Arab Emirates, and the U.S. Virgin Islands

    Of the 251 appointees to the Class of 2018...
    968 Applicants
    251 Appointments
    (60 Conditional, 191 Full; as of 2/4/14)
    34% AIM Graduates
    Average SAT Scores: 691 CR 663 M 620 W (includes converted ACT scores)
    Average HS Rank: 14% (includes reported and calculated HSR's)
    Average GPA: 3.85 (all reported GPA's are converted to a 4.00 scale)
    Average PFE Score: 223
    45 U.S. states are represented plus five U.S. citizens living in Bahrain, Germany, Japan, Thailand, and the U.S. Virgin Islands

    Of the 162 appointees to the Class of 2017...
    944 Applicants
    162 Appointments
    (37 Conditional; 125 Full; as of 2/4/12)
    24 CGAS Appointments (11 Conditional; 13 Full; as of 2/4/12)
    43% AIM Graduates
    Average SAT Scores: 696 CR 680 M 618 W (includes converted ACT scores)
    Average HS Rank: 13% (includes reported and calculated HSR's)
    Average GPA: 4.04 (all reported GPA's are converted to a 4.00 scale)
    Average PFE Score: 225
    41 U.S. states are represented plus three U.S. citizens living in Italy, Kazakhstan and Kenya
     
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