USPSA - United States Public Service Academy ?!

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  1. J Collins

    J Collins Founding Member

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    usnahopeful USNA Midshipman

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    It's pretty interesting but I am not to sure about the service commitment...
    respectfully,
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  3. hornetguy

    hornetguy USAFA Cadet

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    Neat proposal.

    My issue is the emphasis they are placing on women, its does must injustice to the military academies and females in general.

    We, as military academies, take qualified candidates. Not trying to keep females out, I mean really? This really bothers me. And it's saying that because females are somehow being "blocked," they, in particular, need an institution they can go to. Man, that does injustice to everyone involved.
     
  4. Katienavy?

    Katienavy? Candidate

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    Well if they take the "most qualified" like you said, and only 15% of each entering class is female, then that suggests the male candidates are more qualified all round, which means they have a point.

    Or it could be that women aren't as interested in the military in general. The concept women can fight in this way is - relatively - completely novel! We always say we're ohhh so modern, but how modern are we really?

    But yeah the service requirement... seems kinda funny!! (in the sense of funny & in the sense of absurd)
     
  5. hornetguy

    hornetguy USAFA Cadet

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    Do you WANT to have a PUBLIC institution that is NECESSARY to ensure females can participate in public service to offset the high male ratios at military academies? To me, that sounds like turning back the clock and undoing the progress towards societal, gender equality. Does that make sense?
     
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    No I don't. I merely said they had a point.
     
  7. hornetguy

    hornetguy USAFA Cadet

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    I would rather see the data about applicants, appointed, nominated, assessment by the boards, etc. before I would conclude that the statement about females in there is based on a subtle discrimination or if the data supports the percentages.
     
  8. J Collins

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    I think it could give "geeky" kids (for lack of better words) more opportunities in a SA.. there are some kids that are academically superior but athletically deficiant.. but I am not sure if those kids would be so inclined to attend a SA... I found the information while doing a search for our Senator who evidently is supporting it...

    I think the numbers for females are the reaon they are not because of not being qualified, but I wonder how many want to do it that way? I could be wrong though.. after all my daughter is looking to the MMA and CGA, but she is going that route not for the "free" education but because she wants the structure and everything else that goes with it.. including the service afterwards.
     
  9. JaneLane

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    USPSA - a great idea

    I know that if I had the choice I would not want my children to be taught be people who weren't trained to be teachers.

    I know that if I had the choice I would not want people going to fight for our country, that weren't trained.

    And just like West Point, Juilliard, and the Culinary Institute of America - the USPSA will exist for specific training for the future leaders of our country.

    Imagine - our young people will have access to the world's brightest minds and learn about diplomacy, foreign affairs, leadership...
     
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    I must of missed that.. did it really 0say the teachers WOULD NOT be trained teachers? YIPES
     
  11. LineInTheSand

    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    I don't agree with this. Unlike the present service academies, this proposed idea would train them for "public service"...now how do we define that? What "public service" billets would open up for them and provide them with a path to development post-graduation? Do we really want our policy makers all coming from the SAME institution? What will happen to the well known private institutions that provide this, like Kennedy School of Govt. or the Fletcher School?

    No, it's not for me, but it would give all of the service academies a common bond, someone they could all make fun of.
     
  12. Katienavy?

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    :yllol:
     
  13. hornetguy

    hornetguy USAFA Cadet

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    LITS does have a point lol.

    Would rock to be able to do a semester exchange at such an institution. :)
     
  14. flyersboy114

    flyersboy114 USAFA Cadet

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    HAHA! :D :shake: Gave me a good laugh, it would be an embarrasment if they had a football team and one of the Military SA's lost to them though...
     
  15. flieger83

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    Hi!

    I have to chime in on the "female" numbers, percentages, etc.

    Originally the idea was to have the M/F ratio's meet that of the services: If the AF had 11% females, then the academy "ideally" would also have 11% females.

    That worked...to a point.

    Several years ago we had an AMAZING group of candidates for USAFA...and the USAFA Supt (Lt Gen) asked the CofStaff: "If I have XX% females, rather than YY%, is that a problem?" And the CofStaff AF said: "If the women are the BEST qualified, then fill the class with ALL of them! We want the BEST!"

    We had something like 20+% women that year. And they've done themselves VERY proud!!!

    I think all the academies will tell you: we want the BEST; gender is NOT a concern.

    Steve
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  16. averx615

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    This entire thing just sounds like they just want another SA, thats all. It doesnt seem to makes any sense to me.

    Something to laugh at...that is horrible but very funny too!:cool::yllol:
     
  17. jamzmom

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    On a serious note... (Hate to be a stick in the mud & all but...) They could also bond over a lack of funding. Adding another to the mix when the 5 SA's all lack funding troubles me a little. Its a new idea & I guess I just wonder how well it will fly. Feeding Mids at KP & USNA are incidents too recent in my mind. :frown:

    It could be a good thing as far as public service though. Fire Departments & police forces would truly benefit.

    NAHopeful, the service commitment is as follows:
     
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  18. LineInTheSand

    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    Right, but 5 years of service where? They would compete with every private institution out there for spots. Would they specialize? Would we had a service academy pumping out firemen? Where would the current firefighters go? Why would the federal government fund a school that pumps out city/county/state workers?
    :thumbdown:
     
  19. Maximus

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    Sounds like a great idea but what will it be? A SA for for Community Organizers? This group of Senate backers ain't the most Patriotic bunch IMVHO, looks like they are just trying to "circumnavigate" the military and building an officer corps for the Obama Army we keep hearing about...the one that will be just as well funded as the military?


    Senate (23)
    • Hillary Clinton (NY)
    • Arlen Specter (PA)
    Max Baucus (MT)
    Evan Bayh (IN)
    Joseph Biden (DE)
    Barbara Boxer (CA)
    Sherrod Brown (OH)
    Maria Cantwell (WA)
    Ben Cardin (MD)
    Robert Casey (PA)
    Norm Coleman (MN)
    Kay Bailey Hutchison (TX)
    Daniel Inouye (HI)
    Edward Kennedy (MA)
    Mary Landrieu (LA)
    Frank Lautenberg (NJ)
    Carl Levin (MI)
    Blanche Lincoln (AR)
    Robert Menendez (NJ)
    Barbara Mikulski (MD)
    Patty Murray (WA)
    John Rockefeller (WV)
    Debbie Stabenow (MI)
     
  20. jamzmom

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    True LITS. I'm just scratching my head over any future proposed funding for this new "project" when the Academies are begging $$ for operating costs. Would love to see the numbers. :rolleyes: There are so many questions left unanswered out there about this idea. Will be interesting to see what happens and IF it actually happens any time soon.
     

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