VP Nom

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  1. cadet85

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    I am curious, did anybody receive a VP nomination? If so, what do your credentials look like?

    What are the numbers on the VP nom? How many go out? how many can be accepted by USMA?
     
  2. navymomwannabe

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    My understanding is that VP noms are assigned by the academies. And there are only 5 a year. So they are used to get candidates in that for some reason or another did not get a nom from their state and the SA's want them.
     
  3. cadet85

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    Ah, good info, didn't know they were so scarce, lol. Thanks!
     
  4. Rocko

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    I am still fuzzy on how appointments work. There are 435 congressional districts in the US, so assuming each one has a slate and adding in for Senators approximately 500 appointments come from these. Now add in 5 Vice Presidential, some presidential etc. it still is far less than the 1000-1200 appointments.

    Where do the rest of the appointments come from? Are the remaining candidates placed in a national pool and picked, but not charged to their MOC's slate?
     
  5. cadet85

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    So here is the breakdown as far as I know, you are right about the MOC. However, some have more than one slot open do to a drop-out, or something of that nature, so they may give two nominations for an academy. Then, you have senator noms, which you can apply to two of them. So you may get one from one senator, or one from the other. Then there is VP, which is too rare to really factor in, but still gets 5. Then comes presidential. This is service related. In my case, my father served long enough to send in his papers and give me a service connected presidential nomination. Many people do get these so it is a pretty common nomination. Again, I clearly don't know the entire process, but in total that I know of, you can get 5 different noms, Pres, VP, Congressional, Sen. and Sen..

    Now about the congressional. The way some congressman do it is they submit 10 candidates, all are given a nomination, and they let west point sort them out and rank them. So in reality, 10 nominations are given. Now, not all of them will be offered an appointment, obviously, but that's how it is done. Some do principal nominations, where one person is guaranteed a spot, and then the remaining 9 are placed on the National Waiting List to be in ranked order and selected at a later time.
     
  6. ca2midwestmom

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    Service-Connected Nominations:
    Sons and Daughters of Persons Awarded the Medal of Honor
    Army Junior and Senior ROTC Programs and Honor ROTC Units of Other Services
    Sons and Daughters of Deceased or Disabled Armed Forces Veterans
    Regular Army and Reserve Components (Army, Army Reserve, and Army National Guard)
    Sons and Daughters of "career military personnel" (Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, and Coast Guard)

    Congressional Nominations:
    The Vice President
    U.S. Senators
    U.S. Representatives
    Delegates to the House of Representatives from Washington, D.C., Guam and the Virgin Islands
    The Governors of American Samoa and Puerto Rico
    The Resident Commissioner of Puerto Rico
    The Resident Commissioner of the Northern Mariana Islands
    The Secretary of the Army

    http://www.usma.edu/admissions/SitePages/Apply_Nominations.aspx
     
  7. cadet85

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    dang... yeah. ^^ haha you got it.
     
  8. ca2midwestmom

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    Congressional
    1. Vice President - 5
    2. Senate - 500 (100x 5)
    3. House of Representatives - 2175 (435 x 5)
    4. Virgin Islands - 2
    5. Guam - 2
    6. Puerto Rico - 6
    7. Samoa - 1

    Service Connected
    1. President - 400
    2. Regular Army/Reserve Components - 340/340
    3. ROTC - 80
    4. Medal of Honor - Unlimited

    1. Qualified Alternates
    2. Additional Appointees
    (Rounds out the size of the Corps of Cadets to bring them up to the authorized strength of 4,400; West Point's authorized strength has been increased from 4,000 to 4,400, so these and other categories will be increased accordingly.)

    http://www.west-point.org/academy/malo-wa/educators/noms.html
    This info may be old, but it gives you an idea of numbers.
     
  9. cadet85

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    ca2midwestmom is killing it!
     
  10. 18'er

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    I think we are mixing "nominations" and appointments, at least from my understanding.

    The VP can have 5 total cadets/midshipmen at an academy at one time, right? So, odds are, there is only one slot each year that can be charged to the VP. Same concept for the President. 400 cadets total at the academy can be charged to the President, so that works out to 100 new appointees in a given year on average.

    There are 535 members of congress. Each can have 5 cadets at the academy at one time. So, each year, about 535 x 1.25 = 669 cadets will be winners of congressional slots. Another 150 congressional non-winners come off the wait list.

    So,

    VP - 1
    Pres - 100
    MOC's - 819

    Total - 920

    The remainder of the class are JROTC/ROTC, Superintendent noms, prior enlisted, etc.

    At least that's how I've learned it here.
     
  11. Rocko

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    What nomination slate would these come from?

    If Candidate A received a nomination from his congressman only (No other nomination source). The congressman gave 10 nominations for his one slate. Candidate B is given the appointment from this congressman's slate. Is there any way for candidate A to get an appointment since the congressman's slate is full?
     
  12. 18'er

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    If you don't win your slate, because you were either A) Not the principal or B) Lose out on Whole Candidate Score in a competitive slate, then you go onto the National Wait List if you are fully qualified.

    By law, the academy has to take 150 of these Congressional non-winners. The big difference is that you are now competing nationally against ALL the non-winners across the country. So, it is extremely competitive and it's all based on WCS. Again, that is my understanding.
     
  13. Rocko

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    I believe I have it clear now. I believe the 150 you talk about come from the below information from the Congressional Nomination Guide and are charged to the Service Secretary Slate....


    Service Secretary Nominations:

    One hundred-fifty qualified alternates who received ranked
    congressional nominations but were not appointed.

    Thanks for all the input!
     
  14. BigBear

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    so if I understand 18'er correctly, 150 candidates receive appointments but are not charged to their respective congressman's 5 cadet limit
     
  15. Rocko

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    Correct. They would be charged to the Service Secretary....

    That is what was confusing me. I knew they could have more appointed than were on their slate (Our congressman had 4 appointed to USMA one year), but I didn't know what slate they were charged to.
     
  16. 18'er

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    Isn't that right?
     
  17. Raseo1Son

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    So this doesn't include those on non-ranked slates?

    From what I've read here, I thought there were far more un-ranked slates submitted than ranked ones. Correct?
     
  18. Coltron

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    To OP: Just FYI, as far as timing for a VP nomination, for the class of 2018, VP nom(s) shouldn't have been allocated as of yet. The website states: "applicants must complete the online nomination application during the application period of March 1 to January 31 preceding the year of entrance to the academies." So, the application period is still open.

    The website also states: "Notification of those selected for a nomination is normally made during February or March of the year in which the class convenes." So, it looks like awarding of the VP nom(s) is done shortly before the bulk of BFE's/TWE's are sent out. :wink:
     
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    Nominations (per Title X US Code)

    CONGRESSIONAL VACANCIES:
    Senate - 100/year
    Representatives - 435/year
    VP - 1/year (It is treated like a MOC nom in that 10 are nominated per slot)
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    536/year

    Add in the special nomination vacancies -
    DC - 1
    Guam - 1
    Puerto Rico- 1
    Samoa - 1
    Virgin Islands - 1
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    5/year

    Total Congressional Nominations: 541 (536+5)

    SERVICE-CONNECTED VACANCIES:
    Presidential - 100/year
    ROTC - 20/yr
    Enlisted Regular Army - 85/year
    Enlisted Reserve - 85/year
    Children of MOH recipients - unlimited
    Children of deceased/disable veterans - 65 total
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    Approx. 300 cadetships/year come out of this category

    Total: 541 + 300 = 841 (+/-) Congressional and Service-Connected noms

    FULLY QUALIFIED candidates with a nom who are not the vacancy winner or have a LOA will go on the NWL. LOA candidates do not have to be a vacancy winner to receive an appointment. They just have to be nominated.

    The class will be filled from the NWL.
    The top 150 (per WCS) with Congressional noms will be offered appointments.
    The rest of the class can be filled without regard to WCS in a ratio of 3:1 Congressional nom to Service Connected nom.
     
  20. Rocko

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    Thanks to all for the responses. I understand the process much better now.:thumb:
     

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