VP nominations

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  1. kbtrans

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    I heard a rumor that 8 VP nominations were given out this year. Why the exception this year, and how does one find out to whom they were given? Is there a web site? I have found one for last year, but not for this year.
     
  2. Pima

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    First off there is a difference between noms and apptmts. There is no quota for noms, however, there is a quota for appts. Everyone and anyone qualified who requests a VP nom will get one. It is similar to the Presidential. The difference is Presidential is allotted 100 apptmts.

    I am not 100% positive, but I believe the VP appts are the same as MOCs they can at any given time have 5 appts charged to them for each branch. Thus, it is possible that they can have 8 apptmts, i.e. 2 to USMA, 2, USNA, 2, USAFA, 2 USCGA. Realistically, they could even have 3+ in one yr. i.e. 2 regular openings and 1+ due to leaving the SA before graduation. I can't see 8 because they can only be charged 5.

    Again, that is based on my vague memory that the VP can only be charged 5. If it is 10, it would still be statistically rare because that means 3/4 of his charges graduated or left the SA in 1 yr.
     
  3. kbtrans

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    VP appointment

    Thanks for your post. Sorry, my bad, I am trying to get used to all the new terminology. I meant appointments. Any idea about a website with the names of those appointed?
     
  4. Pima

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    10 will get you 20 that they have not been announced yet. Do not confuse that because it is a VP apptmt that they are the best of the best. The VP exists to allow the AFA wiggle room for a candidate to obtain their apptmt.

    For example, Candidate A from Sen 1 gets the apptmt. That leaves Candidate B out in the weeds with no other nom, however, the AFA wants him/her. They use the VP slot to appt Candidate B.

    VP apptmts are usually the last to come out. A couple of yrs ago there was a parent here who had a child receive a VP appt to the USMA @ Memorial Day weekend.

    In the upcoming yr you will start to see that for any SA this is creating a puzzle and they have no clue what the picture is on the box.

    This will be confusing, but I hope you can follow me.

    Every candidate can get a VP nom, thus your chances of receiving an apptmt via VP is 1 in 3000. Traditionally, out of the original pool only 3000 candidates will have a nom. Now when it comes to the actual apptmt, only 1 or 2 out of 1600 will be assigned to the VP.

    The most important thing is to have a nom, because than the AFA can wrangle how to get in the best candidates. You may have only a VP nom., but because you do they can charge you to other sources. For example, they can charge you to Supe's list. The Supe cannot nom anyone, but can be charged. You come in as the VP nom (unlimited), but your ACTUAL apptmt will be SUPE.

    Now here comes Janie RainCloud. The chances of getting A VP apptmt without receiving an MOC nom, is very slight. VP is just saying I am a citizen applying. Your MOC is going to look at your entire resume. If you don't make their cut for a nom (caveat: states like VA, NY, CA, CO, TX are very competitive), it is highly unlikely your stats are going to be high enough to win the appt from the VP.

    ALL apptmts are based on your WCS, highest person wins. CAVEAT: recruited athletes.
     
  5. kbtrans

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    VP appointment

    Thanks again. Interesting posts from your side. You certainly know your stuff. How many superintendent slots are available? This whole process is slowly becoming lucider and lucider...
    (And yes, I really do know that is not a real word just in case using it would hurt any "APPOINTMENT" chance...)
     
  6. Pima

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    I believe Supe's are 85 apptmts. Again, we went through this @3 yrs ago so it is very vague in my memory.

    The fact is you should apply for every available nom. Here are the noms candidates are eligible for if they qualify
    1. President ---this is really based on your folks to get the nom, you to get the apptmt
    2. VP
    3. Senator (aka MOC)
    4. Congressional (aka MOC)
    5. ROTC
    6. JROTC

    Thus, it is possible to have 6 noms (Pres, VP, 3 MOCs and ROTC/JROTC)

    The more noms you have the more options to get in without hitting the National Waiting List. The NWL are for candidates that are highly qualified, but did not win an apptmt, and this is where the Supe list also comes into play.

    The next yr will be a huge learning curve and a roller coaster. The most important thing to keep saying to yourself AFTER you get the nom, is it is not over until I-Day. DON'T expect an apptmt in October if you have submitted a complete file and met the board. Only a small % will get an apptmt prior to Mar/April. There are cadets/parents here who got the call days before I-Day. Nobody will care who your source was or if you got an LOA when you get to BCT. It is a clean slate the minute you arrive.

    One other thing to understand...no apptmt can be given for any MOC unless the ENTIRE slate has a WCS. You can get your nom from your Senator in October, but it 1 candidate on that slate does not submit their package until February, you will not get an apptmt, unless it is an LOA. Get it in early for the hopes of an LOA, but remember no LOA doesn't mean you will not be the best at the AFA. LOA's are given for multiple reasons, and they are miniscule percentage wise.

    This site makes many posters feel if they don't get an LOA or early apptmt that it is over. It isn't. The fact is people who find this site are actively fighting for an apptmt, thus the pool is skewed to the true amt of candidates applying. Look on the class of 14, you have @ 100 candidates that were appt. Yet, the reality is 1600 candidates will get an apptmt.
     
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  7. Just_A_Mom

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    rumor? hmmmmm
    Is this for just the AF Academy? If so - then it's just a rumor and not true as it would be in violation of US Code.
    US CODE allows only for a maximum of 5 cadets at any one time.

    Here is the law:
    Note that this is not 5 per year but a total of 5 in the entire Wing.

    As far as nominating goes - the VP office defers this to admissions. Admission makes the decision.

    This same law also applies to USNA and USMA.
     
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    Superintendent nominations - the total is 50. These are really 50 appointments who are nominated by the Supt.

    Superintendent and VP nominations are normally reserved for candidates who can't gain an appointment by another nomination means.
     
  9. Pima

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    Listen to JAM because when it comes to how the count goes out she is the GO TO person. She is also the GO TO person regarding the process. FLIEGER is our AF ALO on this site, USAFA grad and he can help you out more than I could ever assist.

    Like I said, it was vague to me about the Supe.

    JAM, quick question, why do I recall 85...could that be the Secretary of the AF number? Could it be Enlisted...or did I latch onto the number for some absurd reason...which is very possible:shake:

    Again it is important to understand that SAF cannot nom, like the Supe, but be charged an apptmt.

    As JAM and I have stated you need the nom, and that allows any SA to charge to unique fields. If you do the calculations using Pres., VP, MOC apptmts you will see that they do not tally 1600 apptmts. The rest come from various inter branch apptmts.
     
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    85 appointments are available each year from active duty enlisted AND 85 appointments are available each year from reserve enlisted.
     
  11. Pima

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    Thanks, I was pretty sure that 85 was a number for something. Like I said JAM is the go to person regarding the apptmt numbers process and nom sources.
     
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    Wow, I have been through the entire process over the last year and I still don't know exactly how all the nominations/appointments work. Seems like quite a complex system.

    Later,

    Brian
     
  13. Pima

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    Actually it is not complex. Highest WCS on the slate wins the appointment. No MOC can be charged with an appointment until everyone on that slate has been scored (WCS). CAVEAT: Candidates with an LOA can receive an apptmt as soon as they have a nom.

    Presidential are not like MOCs they do not have to wait for the entire slate to be scored, however, it is not unusual that they receive the apptmt in March.

    The fact and the reality is only a minority will receive their apptmt before the mass mailing. Don't wrap yourself up in a wad when you start seeing LOA's in August and apptmts in November. They are not the norm.

    Priority right now is getting the best resume, and apply for as many noms as possible. Also practice that CFA.

    This will be a marathon, not a sprint. It will have highs (receiving a nom) and lows (seeing someone get an LOA). Keep focused on yourself.

    People here get upset with a chance me thread because you just can't chance someone. The factors are unique compared to a traditional university. For example, chance a 4.5 wgpa, 2200 SAT, football captain, NHS student from No. VA. against 4.1, 2100 soccer captain from West Virginia. You can't because that candidate at first is only going up against VA candidates, they don't go up against WV unless they hit the NWL. That is when the WCS will play a larger factor since it is national. Hate to say it, but where you come from also plays into the chance me game.
     

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