Wage-discrimination Action Filed

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  1. ktnatalk

    ktnatalk Sailor. Shipmate. Parent.

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  2. NavyHoops

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    Heck if you look at the revenue they are bringing compared to the men's team, they should be making more than them.
     
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  3. Sledge

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    Funny. Then it's a one way street, as it always is these days. College Football brings in tons more money than any women's sport. Yet Title IX makes us issue equal numbers of M/F scholarships. Because equality.

    In this case, I do think the USA women's team should make more money than their relatively feckless male counterparts. I just also want to be able to use that argument in reverse.
     
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  4. LineInTheSand

    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    It's important to remember history and relative competition. The US men's team is going up against extremely talented teams with highly paid professional soccer players in a tournament that is 100+ years old.

    The US women's team is going up against a newer, shallower talent pool, in which they've been a power for some time.

    Head-to-head I have little doubt the US men's team would beat the US women's team.

    But... I do find women's soccer extremely entertaining, and on some level more pure.

    It will be interesting to see how this plays out and how it affects the women's team.
     
  5. NavyHoops

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    It's professional athletics not sure I equate them the same way. And actually the majority of D1 football teams are not profitable. Then again, the women signed the contract. Do I think a WNBA player should get paid the same? No, it's a much shorter season and they don't bring in the money. Their value isn't the same. It's pro sports, it's cut throat, I am fine with the disparity. If the value is there, they will make the money. And when it comes to equal work, equal pay, heck we need to teach women how to stand up, negotiate, be strong. As a matter fact, we should teach this to everyone, young men and women. If we do that, the pay gap will fix itself rather than micro management from the government.

    Soccer is the one sport I will only watch when women are playing. I can't handle all the whining and flopping on the men's side.
     
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    Not sure how I feel about this issue, but reading this made me think: In a hypothetical world where the WNBA makes more money than the NBA, if I were Michael Jordan in his prime and female basketball players that were far less talented than me at basketball were getting paid more than me, that would be pretty annoying to me. I wonder if some of the male soccer players feel the same way.

    Sometimes how much money you generate is arguably not a very good metric for how much you deserve to be paid. Kristaps Porzingis on the Knicks probably generates more money than Paul Milsap on the Hawks. Why? Because Porzingis plays in a team where tickets to the games cost about 5x more than they do for the team Milsap plays for. Does Porzingis deserve to be paid more than Milsap simply because he generates more money? Or does Milsap deserve to be paid more than Porzingis because he is the better basketball player?
     
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    The NBA player who is better is more valuable and his contract will show (unless they negotiated a bad contract). Men's and women's soccer are two different sports, so I don't really buy the who is better argument. Same with WNBA and NBA, two different sports.

    The women are living with a contract that they negotiated that sucks. Their value has sky rocketed, now they realize they are more valuable. Now they have to figure out how to get their value after they signed a contract they now realize is too low. Isn't this what we see with lots and lots of pro athletes holding out in spring training each year? Their value has increased over the previous year's and they want the money to show it.

    Bottom line, it's not about wage discrimination, it's about realizing their contract sucks. I actually the fair wage thing is just a legal tactic they are using because it's a great argument politically and helps their case. Sort of goes back to my original point... We need to teach young women (and honestly young men too) how to negotiate salaries, benefits, etc.
     
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    The women's soccer team's collective bargaining agreement expires at the end of this year. They are positioning their case for a significant raise through all this media noise. Agree with Hoops - they signed a contract that sucks and have realized that they are more valuable now.
     
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  9. LineInTheSand

    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    The two things I'd like to know are are teams more profitable that go further in the World Cup (and by how much), and is part of the compensation because men also play in the MLS (or other professional leagues) and risk those professional careers during international play).
     
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    Agree, this is only slightly different than any pro sports with collective bargaining. I point out the difference because they are negotiating for an entire team which is different than say the NFL where each player is making a different amount for a game.
     
  11. frenzymando

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    There is no NBA rule that banns women from playing in the NBA, females can play in the NBA. If there were a female good enough at basketball, she could play in the NBA. On the contrary, there is a WNBA rule that banns men from playing in the WNBA.

    It would be an issue if female basketball players that are far less talented than their male counterparts(nothing against the WNBA but the players are not of the same caliber as NBA players) are getting paid more. Why? Because there are males out there that can do the same thing on the basketball court, BETTER than the women that are NOT ALLOWED to play in the WNBA. That's not right imo. If the NBA did ban female players, and a female basketball came along that was better than Michael Jordan, would you not see it as a problem that the aforementioned female basketball player wouldn't be allowed to make millions in the NBA and would be forced to play in the WNBA and make 1% of the money she would in the NBA? It wouldn't be fair to the female basketball player that's better than Jordan, and likewise, I don't see it as fair to pay more talented men less than less talented women. I don't see why the same wouldn't be true for soccer. I don't find it fair if the best player on the entire planet(who, in the case of basketball and soccer, is male) is making less money than the best female player on the entire planet.

    If I were the female basketball player that's better than Michael Jordan and I were not allowed to play in the NBA, I would ask myself why Kwame Brown is making way more money than me when I'm 10x the basketball player he is. If you pay female soccer players more than male soccer players, I bet the male soccer players would ask the same thing, and imo, rightfully so.
     
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