Waiver worries

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  1. jferg32

    jferg32 New Member

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    I'm a freshman at Norwich University. I am on a three year Army ROTC Scholarship and majoring in Criminal Justice. I went through the DODMERB and the entire process of applying for a scholarship. After I got to Norwich and was filling out the packet for in-processing to the ROTC program I answered the drug question the same I had in every other case. Before I knew what I wanted to do I smoked marijuana between 15-20 times, stopping before the end of my sophomore year. I was very active all four years in high school. This was not a problem until now. I have had to write an affidavit and am waiting to submit my waiver. The ROTC department has to wait until the end of this semester to submit the waiver because they need first semester grades and to see I passed my PT Test. As of now my lowest grade is an 87 and I passed my PT test with 56 pushups, 70 sit ups, and a 12:25 two mile time. Should I be worried? Is there anything else I can do to help myself? Any information would be greatly appreciated
     
  2. Jcleppe

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    My guess, you should be concerned but not worried yet.

    The good news is that you were honest from the beginning and this isn't something you just now brought up. You have a 266 APFT which is good for a new MS1. What would your GPA be now if you calculate your grades to date?

    I would think since you went through the application process and were awarded the scholarship as well as passing your initial DODMERB your chances of receiving the waiver are better then if you had withheld this information in the beginning.

    Sorry I can't give you a more definitive answer, truth is in today's military climate, anything is possible. Does it sound like you have the support of your Cadre?
     
  3. Pima

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    Maybe I am missing something here.

    You went through the DoDMERB exam in HS and were awarded a 3 year scholarship.
    Yes?

    What did you answer for the marijuana question on your DoDMERB? If you stated that number I would have thought you would have been flagged...that is not experimental impo. After flagging you, they waived this issue.

    In your post you are saying 15-20 times. Just curious why this is occurring now if you told them that at the time of the exam?

    Just wondering if you shaded the number on your DoDMERB and now AROTC is saying he said 10 when applying, but admitting 15-20 now. When did he do the 5-10 more times? Did he lie on his application or did he smoke after the exam?
     
  4. Jcleppe

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    He seemed pretty clear that he had answered the question the same on all his paperwork.

    The issue is that he is now filling out his paperwork to be able to contract next year and I imagine it's being looked at by a different pair of eyes.
     
  5. ginko

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    It is my understanding that 3 year scholarship winners don't complete the DODMeRB process until they are into their first year of college (as this OP is). That's why the issue is just now coming to light.
     
  6. Jcleppe

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    Over the past couple years some scholarship applicants have been sent to DODMERB prior to being awarded a scholarship. Also, if a cadet also applied to any of the SA's they would have gone through DODMERB as part of the process. So it is very possible the OP did go through DODMERB prior to starting school even though he has a 3 year scholarship.
     
  7. Pima

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    Jcleppe,

    I know what he wrote, but many times kids do lie on the first shot out and fess up later. They think they said x number, but were vague....two years ago he might have said 10-15 and now it is 15-20. Sometimes it is an intentional shading and sometimes, such as in this case it is so many times they did the activiy the numbers move because they really can't remember. So unless the OP has his DoDMERB paperwork in front of him it really can be an innocent mistake. You smoke it once or twice you remember and the number is exact along with the dates. 15-20 times, especially in only one year is basically every few weeks and the numbers can change.

    I wish you luck, but I know for AFROTC this would be an ender. AFROTC basically feels more than 3 times is considered not experimental, but habitual. I believe clarkson has stated here that AROTC is not as strict and he has known cadets with 10+ times.

    I am shocked that this is being brought up now because the OP has stated they had the exam, thus why did they wait until now to see if they need a waiver. Many kids on scholarship, even a 3 year select the school based on finances. That could be a huge stressor on the family if they said we can afford one year, but not all four years without the scholarship.
     
  8. jferg32

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    On my application to Norwich, and during the DODMERB pre exam paperwork and during the exam I answered 15-20 times. During the exam the doctor asked me if I had gotten in trouble with the law or if I had gone to drug counseling because of it, both to which I answered no. My cadre are behind me in this matter but it is none the less worrying.
     
  9. MedB

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    Jferg,

    You made some bad choices... but you know that already and you aren't the first young person to do so.

    On the positive side you've been forthright, gotten out in front of it, and (based on your rook year stats) worked hard to better yourself. No matter what you can be very proud of that.

    I sincerely wish you the best of luck and keep your head up high.
     

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