Way to go Citadel

Discussion in 'Publicly and Privately Funded Military Colleges' started by golfindad, May 10, 2016.

  1. golfindad

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    She knew the uniform when she applied. They shouldn't make exceptions. Good for Citadel.
     
  4. glen

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    So here is the essential point - one of the purposes of military academies or colleges, has always been their egalaterian nature. The very purpose of uniforms and personal appearance standards at academies and military schools has served to eliminate as far as possible social and cultural barriers, and other differences. From its establishment in 1842, one of the most fundamental objectives of the Corps of Cadets has been to provide a "meritocracy," in which no distinction between cadets shall exist, other than for merit. There is great importance placed on the individual putting aside his/her personal self-importance in favor of becoming part of the Corps. An individual's display of their religious preference has never been permitted as it is inconsistent with this objective. I certainly hope we don't see those with political agendas attempt to pursue them at the college for publicity.
     
  5. Sledge

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    That's nothing DOJ can't "remedy."
     
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    Then maybe they will take the fist look at themselves......
     
  7. glen

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    This policy of The Citadel is unlikely to be undone by legal means - although the administration could put pressure on the college via federal threats to undermine it's ROTC programs. This would relect current administration policy (not legal principles) to use its military establishment for purely social and cultural purposes. This has always been the case since WWII, and in many cases it has been beneficial. But my personal view is it is getting out of hand. Even at West Point, because the uniform standards are essential to its educational mission, personal religious items are not permitted to be displayed. "Emily Kelley, a spokeswoman for the U.S. Military Academy at West Point, said in a statement: “The U.S. Military Academy values the diversity in the Corps of Cadets. Our Standards of Cadet Conduct and Appearance regulation allows for the wear of religious items that are not visible or apparent when in duty uniform, provided they do not interfere with the performance of the Soldier’s military duties, or interfere with the proper wearing of any authorized article of the uniform. Any requests for religious accommodation are thoughtfully and carefully considered on a case-by-case basis.” No cadet has requested an accommodation to wear a hijab.

    My personal belief - and it is just my opinion - is that DOJ will be hesitant to jump into litigation initiated by CAIR - which announced it is looking into taking legal action in this matter. CAIR is the lobbying organization in the US that advocates for Islam. A number of authorities, including the FBI, have been investigating its ties to groups outside the US, including Hamas. Organizations aligned with Islamists, such as the Muslim Student Association have been attempting to organize college and university students - including a Wear the Hijab Day on campuses. It is an organized effort - my view.
     
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    the essential point to remember here is that the hijab is an OPTIONAL garment it is not a REQUIREMENT of islam. And BTW, conveniently hasn't been reported in the media but this students father is head of CAIR, she is a pawn for a group advancing an agenda just as Shannon Faulkner was for the feminists pushing coeducation.
     
  9. Hopefulmomma

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    Good for them. A uniform is a uniform. No special passes.
     
  10. repatriot

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    Agreed. Uniforms are there for a reason; it is a slippery slope to start accommodating every requested deviation.
    Good for the school for making the right call here!
     
  11. soccmomer

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    This girl was also accepted to Norwich Corps of Cadets. Norwich had decided to make uniform allowances, which sound to be in line with what the military is now allowing. I am unable to link at this time, but there is a Facebook page called Overheard at N..... That has the complete story and a sensible discussion about the hows and whys. The page can have "rich" language, so is not for the easily offended.
    I am wondering if she applied to all of the smc's, and where she will ultimately enroll.
     
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    I think this sets a bad precedent however keep in mind that Norwich is a civilian university with a corps of cadets so there is no issue of having uniform appearance for all, I am sure they have civilian muslim students wearing hijabs; probably also Sikhs with turbans and beards. And once again, what the military allows is not at issue here, schools can set their own standards.
     
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    ^^^Not sure it's completely accurate to say, "I am sure they have civilian muslim students wearing hijabs; probably also Sikhs with turbans and beards" ...but maybe so.

    In the interest of accuracy, however, the Citadel also has undergraduate civilian components she could have joined. http://www.citadel.edu/root/eveningundergraduatestudies-2-2-programs She had options, she just couldn't participate in the Citadel's Corps of Cadets and wear the hijab.
    However, is it correct to say that Norwich is allowing her wear her hijab and be in their Corps of Cadets?
     
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    She can cover her head, neck, arms and legs. The head part has to fit under the hats. There is a picture on that Facebook page that shows what this looks like. She can put long sleeves and pants under the shorts or short sleeve uniforms. Norwich specifies color and material.
     
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    but of course she DOES NOT qualify for any civilian programs at The Citadel, not a vet and doesn't have an associates degree. Thanks for the unending disinformation.
     
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    My guess is that she wants to also join ROTC, which is why she wants to be in the Corps of Cadets. That is a big reason many join a Corps of Cadets.
     
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    Are you really going to start this on this thread tooooo. What exactly is the hang up and infatuation:rolleyes:
    Looks like another thread to be locked down. It is ashamed some folks can not discuss a school other than theirs without a slanted view :( Will there ever be a post about The Citadel without certain people taking down this path:confused:

    Why waste my fat two pecking fingers? Folks in the sandbox squabbling can not hear it. Do you not understand it cast a bad light on the SMC you are trying to support? What don't you understand? Sorry kinnem... done ... not worth the effort involved.
     
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    No one can ever say VMI alumni are not tenacious.
     
  19. glen

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    I hadly think the purpoted student wants to attend a military college. This appears to be another political and legal effort by CAIR and the Muslim Student Association have been undertaking a major political and publicity effort to promote Islam in the US and Canada. Nohing wrong with this. They have focused on the hijab as a popular cultural symbol to promote - and to test the federal and state religious protection laws. Sems like a perfect set up to use these laws - and ironic as most all of them were passed in reaction to Gay and Lesbian rights - to protect businesses that did not want to serve gays and lesbians.
     
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    Not exactly the word I had on the tip of my tongue... but I guess it will do in a pinch :laugh:
     

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