Wearing ROTC uniform to a military funeral?

All I can say is I hope to high heaven, my DS feels sheepish if someone thanks him for his service. At this stage he needs to be thankful to "those who have gone before," his cadre, the AROTC review board, and the taxpayer.

But I do have serious question along these lines and I would particularly appreciate Scout's take.

Being of 1/2 Scottish Presbyterian extraction, DS knows every US military discount and benefit on the planet...discounts on everything from haircuts to pizza, to airplane tickets and ski lift passes. If he flies somewhere involving an extended layover, he checks to see if the airport has a USO.

Is he crossing a line? Particularly with the USO thing?

Last time I checked (when I was in... so over 2 years ago).... reserves couldn't use the USO, unless a deployment was involved....

If a company extends such discounts, and doesn't specify what is meant by "military", then no, I don't think he is... that's on the business. If he's wearing his uniform to take advantage of it.... then yes, probably.
 
All I can say is I hope to high heaven, my DS feels sheepish if someone thanks him for his service. At this stage he needs to be thankful to "those who have gone before," his cadre, the AROTC review board, and the taxpayer.

But I do have serious question along these lines and I would particularly appreciate Scout's take.

Being of 1/2 Scottish Presbyterian extraction, DS knows every US military discount and benefit on the planet...discounts on everything from haircuts to pizza, to airplane tickets and ski lift passes. If he flies somewhere involving an extended layover, he checks to see if the airport has a USO.

Is he crossing a line? Particularly with the USO thing?

Discounts are the business's choice. If they want to honor the ROTC status for a discount, they can and he should take it.

With the exception of Atlanta, every USO I know of is a dump. He can have them.
 
usna plebes can only wear civilian clothes on leave (not liberty). Thanksgiving break and Christmas break

they have to fly home in uniform though, partly because ALL their civilian clothes were taken away during plebe summer.
 
Most businesses honor ROTC as well. Hell, most even take dependent IDs. For me personally I don't go to USOs I just travel like a normal passenger except you can skip the bulk of TSA lines with the CaC card.

Once in a while you will see businesses that have discounts for AD only but considering all CaC cards look the same regardless I don't know how they differentiate. However I never had my ROTC ID (old green ID) turned away.
 
With the exception of Atlanta, every USO I know of is a dump. He can have them.

As I said, he's 1/2 Scottish Pres. The other half is from DW who grew up in Communist era Poland.

Thanks for the responses.
 
Most businesses honor ROTC as well. Hell, most even take dependent IDs. For me personally I don't go to USOs I just travel like a normal passenger except you can skip the bulk of TSA lines with the CaC card.

Once in a while you will see businesses that have discounts for AD only but considering all CaC cards look the same regardless I don't know how they differentiate. However I never had my ROTC ID (old green ID) turned away.

Active duty CACs used to say "Active Duty." They need to go back to that.
 
For me personally I don't go to USOs I just travel like a normal passenger except you can skip the bulk of TSA lines with the CaC card.

I never knew this. I guess I'll start showing my CAC card to the TSA guys now instead of my state DL.
 
He should not be required to wear uniforms at home if he is on leave. I am going assume that he attends either North Georgia based on your remarks. I'm sure the regs are clear on it, regardless of where he attends.

It's not easy to say this kindly, but I'll try. The longer I'm in the military, the more I'm put off by things like wearing a uniform to church or other non-official venues. It can come off as attention-seeking and self-aggrandizing. I am sure he is proud of his time in ROTC. He should be. I hope he takes a moment to reflect on the reasons for wearing the uniform and the proper humility that comes with it. He'll likely find himself dealing with a great many "thanks for your service" remarks that will make him feel a bit sheepish.

Just my opinion. If he does wear a uniform, it needs to be the right one. Class Bs are not it.

Thanks for your input. I will definitely suggest to him that he should find out from cadre what "the right thing" is regarding uniforms on leave. I really appreciate your advice.

One of DS's problems is that because of his specialty group at school, he has one of those cap haircuts. Crew cut with a stupid-looking cap of hair left on the top. I don't know what that's called, but it looks ridiculous. At least with the uniform on, you know there's some reason he has that stupid hair.

One thing about DS -- this kid has been wearing Army uniforms since he was 5. And so now for the first time, he can really wear one, and it's the only thing he was ever comfortable in. It's almost like he was born to serve in the Army. He doesn't wear it to get attention; he wears it because nothing else feels right.
 
I finally told him his shoulder boards, name tag, and shirt stays were all going to keep beeping and they were going to have to pat him down and scan him with the wand, no way he would make it through.

Good to know about the shirt stays! Hadn't thought of that one.
 
He finds them more comfortable than shorts and a t shirt? Interesting, I have never found them to be that comfortable.
 
Thanks for your input. I will definitely suggest to him that he should find out from cadre what "the right thing" is regarding uniforms on leave. I really appreciate your advice.

One of DS's problems is that because of his specialty group at school, he has one of those cap haircuts. Crew cut with a stupid-looking cap of hair left on the top. I don't know what that's called, but it looks ridiculous. At least with the uniform on, you know there's some reason he has that stupid hair.

One thing about DS -- this kid has been wearing Army uniforms since he was 5. And so now for the first time, he can really wear one, and it's the only thing he was ever comfortable in. It's almost like he was born to serve in the Army. He doesn't wear it to get attention; he wears it because nothing else feels right.

As cute and endearing as that thought is, I don't buy it. He may like being in ROTC, and that's a great thing. If I had a lieutenant who told me that, I'd be concerned and we'd have a talk about boundaries. Part of his growth will be to learn when it's the right time to represent the Army and when it's the right time to represent himself.
 
At some airports, you have to be traveling on orders AND have the ID card

Yeah I even told the TSA worker I wasn't on orders anymore and she said it didn't matter and when she scanned my card it gave the go ahead. *Shrug*. The reason I used it was because my license is harder to access in my wallet haha
 
As cute and endearing as that thought is, I don't buy it. He may like being in ROTC, and that's a great thing. If I had a lieutenant who told me that, I'd be concerned and we'd have a talk about boundaries. Part of his growth will be to learn when it's the right time to represent the Army and when it's the right time to represent himself.

I think it's being new to the Army thing. I never was THAT motivated but I did have that typical haircut for a long time, now I keep it clean but definitely more civvy like when I have drill or training. Eventually he will realize the Army is a bit more than a job but it's not his whole life purpose right? Haha
 
As cute and endearing as that thought is, I don't buy it. He may like being in ROTC, and that's a great thing. If I had a lieutenant who told me that, I'd be concerned and we'd have a talk about boundaries. Part of his growth will be to learn when it's the right time to represent the Army and when it's the right time to represent himself.

I am certain that when he's an upperclassmen with civvie privileges he will look for every opportunity to show his upperclassmen-ness in shorts and a t-shirt.
 
2-3. Wearing of the Uniform
b. ROTC cadets may wear the issue uniform within the United States and its possessions when--
((3) Traveling to and from the institution in which enrolled.
[/B]
A cadet MAY wear the ACUs when traveling from the ROTC duty station (campus) to home, and back. I really don't know of any that choose to... they just wear their civvies. Easier to relax that way and not be concerned about representing.
 
A cadet MAY wear the ACUs when traveling from the ROTC duty station (campus) to home, and back. I really don't know of any that choose to... they just wear their civvies. Easier to relax that way and not be concerned about representing.

Plus, they're not exactly the most comfortable things to wear on a plane.
 
DS is required to be in the uniform of the day (military junior college) while he is in the city limits of his college's town. That means when he leaves to drive home he must be in uniform and when he returns he must be in uniform. So he travels in them whether it is acu's or his dress uniform.

When he left LTC this summer they dropped them at the airport in their ACU's.

Some changed, some didn't.
 
A cadet MAY wear the ACUs when traveling from the ROTC duty station (campus) to home, and back. I really don't know of any that choose to... they just wear their civvies. Easier to relax that way and not be concerned about representing.
Huh, my Bn is a bit different. We are only authorized to wear it on LAB days/Bn events - can't even do that. Everything else we'd need authorization for.
 
The SAs require uniforms a lot the first few years (I think most SMCs follow pretty close to these rules with slight variations). Plebe year that is all you are allowed, except when on leave. Sophomore year is pretty much the same except outside a certain radius from campus. Junior and Senior year are more liberal, but pretty much M-F is uniforms. The last thing we wanted was to wear uniforms on leave! I think I wore mine once; my grandfather's funeral. This probably also attributes to why most of us are fashionably challenged when we graduate and can wear clothes every day!

At the time I was there we were required to travel to/from training in uniform. We actually were waiting for an ROTC Mid to show and he was in civilian clothes and they tore into him pretty good, made him change, then let him report. From the sounds of it, they require business casual now, I like that change! Last year I was actually going through BWI and there was a VT Midshipmen in summer whites trying to go through TSA screening. He kept beeping and the TSA agent was nearly screaming at him to check his pockets again. The poor kid was freaking out. I finally told him his shoulder boards, name tag, and shirt stays were all going to keep beeping and they were going to have to pat him down and scan him with the wand, no way he would make it through. The agent then started yelling at me. That gave me a good laugh. I fly several times a week and am used to the amazing TSA service.

So does that mean we are now required to wear business attire from now one when coming home for Thanksgiving, etc. or do we still have a choice on whether or not we can wear the uniform because personally, I'm proud to wear the uniform for several personal reasons. I will be attending an SMC this year and on my list of things to bring, they do require business casual but it stated that we would need business casual for sporting events, class field trips that may require it or if our professor requires us to wear business casual to class (which is why it is required).
 
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