Weight/Height

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  1. cpanddj1

    cpanddj1 Member

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    Do you have to be under the max weight limit on I Day or do you have until the end of plebe summer to get within the weight limits?
     
  2. 1964BGO

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    Why would you want to handicap and draw unnecessary attention to yourself right from the git-go? If you arrive at I-day overweight you can bet you'll be someone's project! That's not a good starting point.
     
  3. cpanddj1

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    Well, there's a little more to this story............Our DS bulked up during football and now is right at the limit for his height. It looks like it is muscle mass, but we have no way to calculate % body fat. He is doing more aerobic activity and less power lifting.

    Any thoughts or suggestions? He just wants to be more prepared for the stress of I Day. Are candidates sent home if not within height/weight limits or ???
     
  4. kinnem

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    Besides being best to address it now, it seems you're worried about nothing if he is already down to the limit for his height. He's got over 4 months to prepare and get down further with his new training and diet regimen (there is a diet regimen right?).
     
  5. usna1985

    usna1985 USNA Alumnus

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    If it is truly muscle mass, USNA will do a body fat percentage and he'll be ok. For guys, I think it involves measuring neck and waist. When I was at USNA my squad leader was "overweight" but had 7% body fat. He was fine.:smile:

    That said, the more important thing, as stated above, is whether he is in shape for Plebe Summer. He does have plenty of time to train -- trust us, one does not want to start PS drawing attention to oneself for lack of physical fitness.
     
  6. Whistle Pig

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    Sure, simple if not easy.

    DS bulked up. DS can bulk down. He's got 6 months to "make weight." This is a no-brainer.

    Fewer cals, more exercise of the right kind.

    Now, this might be a lot more confounding if we were discussing in June, 2013. :rolleyes:
     
  7. cpanddj1

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    Thanks for the input everyone. And Kinnem, yes we do a fair amout of worrying for nothing (at least we hope it is for nothing.)

    Just to get right down to the nuts & bolts of this issue, what does happen at USNA if a candidate shows up on I Day a little over the regs. Gets sent back home or ???

    Thanks!
     
  8. another13mom

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    while this is an Army document, it may help you determine whether your son is truly at risk (see worksheets to determine body fat% and then the charts as to permissible % based on age), and a suggested program to get at weight if he's over:

    http://www.apd.army.mil/pdffiles/r600_9.pdf

    The percentage is based on measurements of circumference of his waist (at the belly button) and his neck (subtract neck from waist) and then see the chart for height to determine %.
     
  9. dunninla

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    It's not weight, but body fat % that is the issue. As a poster above noted, if a mid is outside the published height/weight limit, males are tape measured at neck and belly button to estimate body fat (note... taping is also an estimate, but it's the cheapest way and doesn't require expensive equipment). There is a chart for converting the number of combined inches at neck/belly button and height with est. body fat. There is a second chart for permissible body fat % by age.

    Body fat % limits are not just an issue for the Academy. It is also (increasingly during the current force downsizing), being used to separate marines, soldiers, sailors and airmen, and a factor in their review boards for promotion.
     
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    usna1985 USNA Alumnus

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    My gut feel is that, if you are very close to the line in terms of body fat (say, within 1%), they would probably let you stay on the theory that you will lose the weight pretty quickly during PS. If you look obese or are significantly over the maximum(s), the odds of being sent home increase.

    These days, the military is taking a MUCH harder line on height/weight/body fat standards. Thus, they certainly could send you home if you don't meet the standards, even if very close.

    I would not want to give them the option.:wink:
     
  11. esu8

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    The Answer to your question is yes there is a standard for some not for all. If you are the unfortunate some you will receive a letter from the Admissions Medical Officer advising you that there is a standard along with a chart and a DD 2632 form that must be filled out. If you are truly lucky it will come when you believe you have completed the candidate process. Good luck
     
  12. lukepeoples

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    Being overweight in the military is not a problem. If you pass tape, you are within standards. I am 5'10" and my max weight is 191. If I were to bulk up to 215 I would be out of standards until I was measured, if my neck is in proportion to my waist, I am good to go. No questions asked. As a Command Fitness Leader, I can assure you that this is NOT a problem.

    Here is a link to the PRT instruction so you can figure everything out.
    http://www.navy-prt.com/files/6110.1J_-_Physical_Readiness_program.pdf
     
  13. esu8

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    Being outside of the height/weight standard may not be a problem once you are in the Academy. My post is to alert all possible candidates that there is a standard for entering and that you may be confronted with an unforeseen delay after passing the CFA and the medical and obtaining a nomination so find out what those numbers are and be at the required weight and height before you take your DOD medical if possible.
     
  14. USCGA2017hopeful

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    Can you be DODMERB qualified when overweight?
     
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    yes you can which didn't make sense to us either. There were six months between being Medically qualified and notified the that the standard wasnt met figure that surprise.
     
  16. esu8

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    F.Y.I. he was 5'10" 192 outside of the standard. Now he is 5'11" 185 its wrestling season. His medical form has been returned and he is just waiting. If it was not for wrestling he could have been anywhere from 182 to 192 the form had to be returned in two weeks. The reason I am writing so much detail is to help other candidates who could possibly encounter the same problem. He was not aware of a height weight standard otherwise he would have kept his weight at an acceptable number. its what he is used to doing for wrestling.
     
  17. Jake

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    Weight isn't a medical issue, it's administrative. You do get weighed during the DODMERB, but no matter what the weight is, I don't think you will be DQed medically.
     
  18. USCGA2017hopeful

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    So if you are 3Q'd, but overweight, will they still tender an appointment? and if overweight, do they give you until I-Day (or before) to correct it?
     
  19. esu8

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    I don't know the answers to your questions. The BGO stated that it was a medical issue and he didn't have any answers, except to send the form in and be patient. The candidate is inside the standard and will wait. The Letter reads your height / weight is outside standards for Admission to the Naval Academy for the Class of 2017. We can all try to figure what that means. I understood it as the candidate was removed from the review for appointment process until the letter was returned and he was found to be inside the height/ weight standard.
     
  20. Jake

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    USCGA2017hopeful,

    The 3 Q's are, academically, medically, and physically, right? If a candidate is overweight I believe they are physically DQ'd but are ok medically. Are you given time to get in shape??? Now that's a good question, but at least you won't have to deal with DODMERB on that issue.
     

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