West Point rated number one by Forbes as best University in America

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  1. Maximus

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    Congrats to the Woops! :beer1:

    You still suck at football. :thumb:


    ETA: Thirtieth? THIRTIETH?

    Must be because it cost $1,000. :rolleyes:
     
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    I hate these surveys. I am a cadet currently attending USMA and I can tell you right now that you can't make college decisions based upon college rankings. Tons of schools throughout the nation, including the top ones refuse to even participate in these surveys because they make students apply to certain schools in a robot like fashion. They apply to certain schools without taking into consideration their majors and career choices. Also, this is FORBES. Why make judgments based upon their surveys? There are clearly disagreements between FORBES and other college ranking surveys, including more famous ones like Americas News and World Report. They rank USMA as No. 13 for Liberal Arts Colleges, not even competing in the National Universities list that include well known schools like MIT and UC Berkeley.

    FORBES is useless just like every other college ranking survey. DON'T MAKE YOUR DECISIONS BASED UPON THEIR OPINION. Take into consideration everything except that.
     
  4. LineInTheSand

    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    Was this moved down to this thread or are we just trying to see how many times we can have it on the forum?

    Interesting listings. Certainly some schools in positions I would not have expected.

    They had a few lists too.


    Are students not paying anything, even a one time fee, for computers at all at USMA, USNA, or USAFA?
     
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    This year at USMA, cadet candidates paid a nonrefundable deposit of $2000 prior to R-Day. They also had a $5060 advance that helps pay for expenses that accrue faster than their cadet pay. This "loan" is paid back out of their paycheck over time.
     
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    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    I thought they did...and yet that is not listed on the Forbes list...it's listed at $0. CGA also has a deposit...around $3000 i believe...and that's listed.

    I assume USNA has something similar?
     
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    I think everything at USNA is now a loan.

    Congrats to the Woops. Great publicity. And the other two SAs will benefit by riding on their coattails.

    Not to deflate the kudos but any rating system that rates graduate education, all else being equal, will probably rank USMA ahead of USNA. The Army, across the board, places more emphasis on grad school than the Navy. As a matter of fact, on another thread, the necessity of "hitting the ground running" for new USNA grads is being discussed.

    But again, congrats Woops. Now, work on the football team.
     
  8. LineInTheSand

    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    All five academies could work on the football. Honestly, if you're looking for a good football game, and you're actually going to watch the football and not all the hoopla around it, a service academy is the last team you should watch.
     
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    The fact is (obviously and most know it) the Service Academy can't recruit the serious Pro bound athlete. They also have the fitness standards, that a front line, does not make.
     
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    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    True, very true.
     
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    Yeah, Johns Hopkins is the 173rd best college in the USA.

    Yeah, right. :rolleyes:

    This list loses all credibility when it publishes something like that.
     
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    It is $0. If a New Cadet can't afford the fee then it is waived and wrapped into the "loan". The Education is free. Cadet income is used to pay for issued items and other fees that the Government doesn't cover, i.e. football tickets.
     
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    It's a list, just a list. They set forth several criteria and cranked the numbers and came up with a list. It allows #1 to crow and all the others to claim it's not credible.

    It is fantastic publicity for West Point and all the Service Academies.
     
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    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    So there's a fee, that's what I'm seeing there JAM...if they can't afford the FEE. Did I misread that at all?
     
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    HUH?
    The Fee is for issued items, i.e. uniforms. If they can't pay it they can still go. What are you confused about?
    If you can't afford the tuition and fees at Harvard, you can't go.
     
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    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    If there is a fee, then it should have been listed.


    As with many of these lists, various colleges give various pieces of information.

    I would love to know if there is some program they plug numbers into, if its people sitting around a table and discussion, a combination of the the two...
     
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    At the bottom of the posted article (post#1) there is a link to the methodology used to calculate the Forbes rankings:
    http://www.forbes.com/2009/08/02/best-colleges-methodology-opinions-ccap.html
     
  18. Maximus

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    They are following up:
    This is not the place to do a detailed analysis of our rankings and some of their characteristics. However, we would note that the correlation between this year's rankings and the rankings for the 568 schools included in the 2008 rankings is 0.91, which is quite high, but far enough away from a perfect correlation to mean that there are some meaningful changes this year, including a new No. 1 school, the U.S. Military Academy at West Point. Preliminary regression analysis indicates, as a rule, weak or non-existent statistically significant relationships between spending per student and our rankings, a finding of which we are particularly pleased, suggesting spending more money per student (engaging in the academic arms race) will not likely have positive outcomes in terms of the Forbes rankings. CCAP plans to release further studies doing far more detailed analysis, including comparisons with other rankings, notably those of U.S. News & World Report. A far more detailed explanation of the procedures used in compiling the rankings follows.
     
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    The Service Academies have routinely been top 10 in some form or another. This is great publicity and probably a bit of a stunt by the magazine. The many lifestyle points normally handed out often scored the Academies a big, fat ZERO in more than one column and hurt the overall average. Being a Party school has great academic merit, in some scorecards.
    Still, great news. That NAVY got 30th is about the funniest thing ever. You KNOW there is a Whoop Grad on the Forbes staff somewhere saying "Beat Navy!", and they did (off the football field, of course). Alas, I might have done the same had the positions been reversed. BZ, West Point!
     
  20. morningdark

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    jscam, the service academies may have been in the top 10 with Forbes, but they have never even came close to being in the top 10 with U.S. News and World Report or with Princeton Review. You cannot rely on ratings to judge what is the best college. It is too subjective and takes into account the wrong things. The best college can only be judged on career choices, majors, and by academic programs. How many times does this have to be repeated?
     

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