Cop out? Excuse? Ummm, no.
What about geographically diversity initiatives, female diversity initiatives. Majority of academies classes are 75 to 80% white. How would you feel about 50% Asian classes. Checkout California top universities? Remember Colin Powell was an average ROTC army cadet. He became one of our most successful army General. A diverse mid/cadet student body will make for a stronger Armed forces for our future.
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No one (I think) is denying the benefits to a diverse officer corps, certainly not me.
The results, however, cannot be predicted at the time of appointment.
What is being "questioned" is the method used to reach that goal. And no logical argument can be made to deny the method being used is also discriminatory.
Again--this is the system in place today, deal with it. Qualified minority candidates are going to be appointed at a higher percentage than qualified non-minority students.
I won't even bring up the "back door" approach of using NAPS as an athletic department "red shirt" factory for under-qualified D1 recruited candidates.
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Luigi--I still think it is an excuse. By using excuses you set yourself up for failure. I cant make that extra Mile because of my knees. I cant make it to the top of the Ladder because it hurts my back. I have heard them all. I want the one who says, I will do that extra mile, not because someone told him to, but because something inside of them wont let them quit. Call it ego, call it pride, some call it heart. Whatever it is , give me a squad of them and I was always good to go. NO EXCUSES
Luigi--I still think it is an excuse. By using excuses you set yourself up for failure. I cant make that extra Mile because of my knees. I cant make it to the top of the Ladder because it hurts my back. I have heard them all. I want the one who says, I will do that extra mile, not because someone told him to, but because something inside of them wont let them quit. Call it ego, call it pride, some call it heart. Whatever it is , give me a squad of them and I was always good to go. NO EXCUSES
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Folks,
Please let's not turn this into yet another diversity thread. I understand there are strong feelings on this issue but they have been aired many, many times before and this forum is never going to resolve them. And such threads inevitably end up being closed because they lead to nowhere but argument and dissent among posters.
Your friendly mod.
Please let's not turn this into yet another diversity thread. I understand there are strong feelings on this issue but they have been aired many, many times before and this forum is never going to resolve them. And such threads inevitably end up being closed because they lead to nowhere but argument and dissent among posters.
Your friendly mod.
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Just by the mere fact this is being discussed we know it exists. To deny it would be ignorant. If anyone has to disclose their ethnicity on any application it gives this whole topic truth. If all the applicants were given a number and no name or ethnicity attached then that would give everyone applying an EQUAL OPPORTUNITY. Lowering standards for anyone is never a good end result. So you can say what you want but the truth is very transparent.
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Well this thread has sure been fun to read.
Just one question.
A kid goes to a very small rural school, say Wyoming, has a graduating class of 15. The school is so small they don't have sports, no varsity team to be a captain. No need for an Editor in Chief for the Yearbook because it fits on one page. The only leadership this kid has is working on the family farm or ranch. Grades and test scores are decent but the school is not near a top tier high school, oh and he happens to be white.
Should this kid be automatically deemed not qualified because he doesn't have the resume of states other applicants from urban top tier high schools have and is just given a number.
Sometimes where you come from and the opportunities you have or don't have need to be taken into account.
Those that outright dismiss any diversity in applications need to spend some time at an inner city urban high school. Just because someone doesn't have the opportunities in high school to help them succeed in having a stellar resume, doesn't mean they do not have what it takes to excel, given the opportunity.
There is often a lot more to it then what's just on paper.
Not a perfect system, but it has to start somewhere.
Just one question.
A kid goes to a very small rural school, say Wyoming, has a graduating class of 15. The school is so small they don't have sports, no varsity team to be a captain. No need for an Editor in Chief for the Yearbook because it fits on one page. The only leadership this kid has is working on the family farm or ranch. Grades and test scores are decent but the school is not near a top tier high school, oh and he happens to be white.
Should this kid be automatically deemed not qualified because he doesn't have the resume of states other applicants from urban top tier high schools have and is just given a number.
Sometimes where you come from and the opportunities you have or don't have need to be taken into account.
Those that outright dismiss any diversity in applications need to spend some time at an inner city urban high school. Just because someone doesn't have the opportunities in high school to help them succeed in having a stellar resume, doesn't mean they do not have what it takes to excel, given the opportunity.
There is often a lot more to it then what's just on paper.
Not a perfect system, but it has to start somewhere.
Excellent example
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Great Wyoming example. My father-in-law was from South Dakota. Poor as you can get. Went to a junior college for two years before attending USNA. Small resume because his HS class was less than 1o total (but I suspect everyone had smaller resumes back then). Graduated USNA 8th in the Class of '56. Later got a PHD in Physics. Taught Russian and Physics in the mid-60's. You just never know.
Great Wyoming example. My father-in-law was from South Dakota. Poor as you can get. Went to a junior college for two years before attending USNA. Small resume because his HS class was less than 1o total (but I suspect everyone had smaller resumes back then). Graduated USNA 8th in the Class of '56. Later got a PHD in Physics. Taught Russian and Physics in the mid-60's. You just never know.
Was something said earlier about " excuses" ? I sure just read a whole list of them. If a candidate is motivated there are no excuses for lower tests scores, poor grades , lack of leadership opportunities. SAs are looking for creative problem solvers. If this "white " male had what it takes to excel he would certainly make opportunities for himself. He wouldn't count on someone else handing him an opportunity because of all his excuses .
What about the lowering of physical fitness standards for women? The results of that have not affected the readiness of our armed forces. Let not forget some of our best officers were average students minority or non minority The cadets/mids at our academies are top notch students. Just because they are minority does not make them below average. We should be proud of all of our young people will to sacrifice for this nation.
Seriously?
Apparently, not getting a 700+ on critical reading isn't an "excuse" in some quarters, it's a "cultural handicap." Instead of studying the Blue Book or a list of 250 hard SAT vocabulary words, you can, instead, shrug such ignorance off on inner-city schooling or single-parent upbringing.
Know the standard. Surpass the standard. Win. The enemies of freedom and capitalism give no quarter for Utopian fallacies of "fairness."
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Amen brother.
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I agree with Jcleppe
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Wow! I don't know you from Adam but this sounds like what someone with all the opportunities would write.
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